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Way before my time and stuff and.
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I I think it’s great.
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I know this matter now, just making sure it’s back.
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OK, that’s what I want to get.
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Out today. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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OK. What about the period from about 1965 on the thing in there that?
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Well, one or two little things, right?
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Maybe we could sort of sit down and go over that.
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OK.
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On the day when we talked about the night.
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Yeah, independent. There’s an area there that you know, I can help you with that answer. The stuff prior to that and that would be good right up to 1970, OK. It was sort of around then when you stopped coming in on a regular basis.
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But I was there on a regular basis from.
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68 onwards.
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And we can.
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Pick it up.
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Looks like I said later.
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OK.
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Sorry, I don’t like snobs.
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I don’t know why.
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I got this letter to.
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I had no idea it was coming at 6:00 o’clock in the morning, feeling just like how I stayed in bed and.
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And a few things for new than this.
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That’s where I’m going.
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OK.
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We’ll see you Thursday then.
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Yeah, everything would be great.
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That would be good.
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Just about anytime to maybe give me a phone.
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Call first.
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OK.
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So please give me a call when you get home.
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You’re beautiful.
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Yeah, I’m going right now.
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OK folks.
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OK. Bye bye.
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OK.
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Starting your your memories would be probably the the earliest with with your mother’s parts in the in the story.
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Are there any parts in there that you think you need more clarification?
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Or maybe you sharpened a bit?
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Yes, I think so.
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OK.
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Actually while you.
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Guys are looking through that.
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You make some tea.
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Or some coffee.
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No, no, no.
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My father originated the first service station.
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What was the name?
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Considered as a service, it was just a gas pump which was right across from lost.
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At the back of the Oak Hall.
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Which is.
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On water St.
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At the back of.
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Right across the street from where Vicki’s taxi.
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Yeah, that was the first pump.
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Oh oh.
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Like is it is Montreal, trust is.
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On the corner.
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Now and so would be back to that.
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I don’t know.
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What talking for right now, right back there.
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It’s like here is me coast.
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Here’s Montreal trust and where those twin theaters are.
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Yeah, well.
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No, no, not that far back.
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This on the Bernard side of the lake.
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Oh, the the old oak building only came back about halfway, and then there was touch.
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But didn’t Ralph Matthew’s dad have a?
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No, no, that was on Pandosy St.
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Where Treadgold sporting goods.
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You know, there used to be a.
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When I came here 39.
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That radio technician that German lad bill something rather hammerling hammerling.
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He had a shop just back in there too.
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Yeah, well, it was changed dreadfuls by hope.
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The massacre when all mercy.
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Then there was an empty lot, and then the shepherd’s lot.
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Which is the corner building on Lawrence and Pandosy.
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And right across from the street.
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From that it was.
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The old map service station that he’s moved from water St.
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Oh that.
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Yeah, I wondered because I didn’t know.
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to the corner there.
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He was in.
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The other place first.
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Oh, I see.
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And then there was a little bit of an empty lot.
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And then Sutherland springs.
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What was the service station called at that time?
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It was called the oil shock.
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He brought in.
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That Chaplins bought it.
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After he went broke in 24.
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One of these big deals for putting.
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Hard rubber tires on iron.
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Big pressures and all that, and they also rebuilt all the batteries in those days.
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They rebuilt the batteries.
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They never.
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Or built with.
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No, you didn’t get this.
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Go buy a battery and have it charge.
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That’s why your mother referred to it as a.
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Tire and battery?
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And he was the first Goodyear dealer.
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And he was also the original.
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Very loyal to you.
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When they started the service station with all the gas came in barrels.
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As you have pointed out to the curve.
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What was the name of the magazine that your mother said that he he worked for on the coast?
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Did you ever know that?
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Oh gosh, that’s before my time.
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I’ve forgotten the name of it.
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Because I had asked a couple of people.
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Later, if they.
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Had heard of an automotive magazine and nobody.
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Could remember the title.
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Somewhere around the house.
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Either part of one or the right.
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Up on it.
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Is that where she met him?
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Yeah, and that was.
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Started by the group in Victorian.
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And the old.
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Man was part of it.
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They decided to tour.
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British Columbia and Washington by car.
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And this was it.
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I think it was at 11.
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And I’ve forgotten how far they got now.
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The day drew the first road map.
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For many.
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My God.
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Sharing your big sheet.
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Carry your car.
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You seem to have picked up quite.
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A bit.
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I have often thought.
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Since my dad died, of course.
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Too late that that when we were living with them, when we were building our House, that I should.
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Have sat down and talked to them because.
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He spent a lot of time.
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He feel like he surveys the railroad from.
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In the survey crew, part from the CM into Oh yeah, and he also.
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Probably then PM down to the coast.
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We’ve got pictures of.
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You did go into the bridge too with that.
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Well, let me work on this bridge here too.
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You’re getting from.
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You know, and oddly enough, when he went.
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To work for.
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Canadian Vettel, after he retired from the government.
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The next.
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He worked for Canadian.
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Somewhere up in the North River, the.
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Gas line they.
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Were putting in the gas line and the map that.
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Oh yeah.
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They gave him to.
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Work on were ones that he drew himself so 40 years.
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Before or whatever his initials were wrong and they were using the same method.
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It’ll be down.
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Yeah, but you know, it’s funny you don’t like he came out and he worked in in the Nelson area.
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And when we were building our house, she.
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Was downstairs, but the ground level of the house or the downstairs of the house is on ground level and he and I were sitting down there painting.
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Horrible do something.
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And he said, see that area out there.
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And he was pointing to.
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North Glenmore, the West side of Dilworth Mountain and just below it he said that in that area my uncle helped.
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Plant that orchard.
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And with the.
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Out of the Home directory.
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One of my uncles and my dad.
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Worked around here.
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It would have been in 19101112.
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Or a little earlier.
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Maybe I’ll be at my airport.
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We’re back for the war.
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You know.
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To know how the country would show that.
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For instance, he and a friend of his had a contract to paint the big potato warehouses that were built as first building in Ashcroft.
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That’s correct.
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He also drove the first car stage on the Caribou Highway for the.
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When he was driving course states.
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That was a Pierce arrow, yeah.
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And this is your dad.
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Yeah, I knew that.
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And that was a, you know, just a very short space of time, you know.
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Remember you said he drove up.
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Thank you.
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In the booth was he?
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And what about?
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When were the?
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Camels up in the Caribou before his time.
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Because I can’t remember at.
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All when the camels were taken up there.
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I know they.
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Erupt there, but I don’t know whether it was in the 1800s or early 1900s or.
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What it was.
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I think the last one was around this was seen at there.
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Around 1910 or something.
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Oh yeah, so that.
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It would have been well, of course.
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Originally brought up.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, that was during the gold rush.
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They were brought.
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So that’s the late 18, well 1890s then?
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It’s 1880. Yeah. They brought them up when the Barker built.
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That way.
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That was a crazy idea because they wouldn’t.
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It would be hard.
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To acclimatize animals that were used to the desert.
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Well, that area is very dry.
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I know, but it’s never that hot in the winter, and even.
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Yeah, but there’s a lot of good promoters here in those days.
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In the summer, yeah.
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Ted, Can you imagine?
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Yeah, you go up in the.
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Summer to be so hot and they.
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Say well, sure the candles are lit.
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And it said that that it went to, you know, north of cameras, cameras is, is is.
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Cold in the winter and candy can.
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Go to 30.
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The cameras they brought in, I think we’re we’re one hump.
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Mongolian variety or something?
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They were they.
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They were also shaggy.
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You’re seeing a.
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They’re pretty long hair long.
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Oh, so that they may have.
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Been they may have been special for that kind of.
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They even used to.
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Elephants pretty high up out of India.
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Oh, yes, yes, of course.
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You know, it’s pretty cold here.
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So if if they’re born to it.
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Yeah, but where these came from, I don’t know whether they brought them over or whether they picked them up out of some circus or something in the states.
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Some real promoting character brought my peers.
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It wasn’t that many of them I forgot.
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This was nasty animals.
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They just felt like they don’t like people or anything to do with people.
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I was watching.
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Sally Struthers for a short time last night and she was speaking, they were asking her about being recognized and she was in Jerusalem.
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Where her steps, some of the parents and she’s warmed up food and the fellow came along on a camel.
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All dressed in his robe and turban.
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And they’re not, and.
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Said she looked up and and she.
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Said, you know, camels are so cute.
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I mean, she looked as though.
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She meant it.
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And then this fellow apparently looked down at her and said Gloria from all in the family.
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Apparently we, she says it was, you know.
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You you.
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This is where you can get a.
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Laptop for 2nd but you did say.
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They are very nice.
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I’m not very, you know, I’ve I’ve lived around in in Africa and they’re they’re really cranky.
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Yeah, but it’s really cranky.
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Got. In fact, they’ve.
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They’re like a dog.
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They don’t.
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They only respond to one person, you know, and they’ve got a master and that’s it.
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Not really.
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Nobody else can tolerate.
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On page 6.
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Down at the bottom you have a.
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List of some of the performers.
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And I was just wondering.
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One well known.
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Lady Bay Freedom should she not be lifted, going to list these names?
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Oh yeah.
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OK.
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Yes, I think so.
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Yeah, that is a nickname.
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Yeah, I’d.
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I’d asked about that.
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Yeah, that was.
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Was she Florence?
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At the end of.
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End of Bernard Ave.
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do you remember where Peach service station used to be?
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The Shell service station?
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While that used to be the predom.
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Orchard from their.
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Back, well, we’re Capri.
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Yeah, where the old and where?
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The old house.
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Is being torn down.
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Yeah, well, now that was the home.
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They put him home.
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She was.
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She was Mrs.
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Of course she was being somebody.
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Else she was baby Birch.
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With Margaret purchase, sister talk old Henry Birch’s daughter.
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Was she?
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Investing in your company.
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Then when she played because she played the.
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Piano seems to me we knew were.
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Not sure them but.
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When we talked of it all, we paid freedom.
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Well, I can.
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She married them well.
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She got married with kids.
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She was she was married.
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Jack, when?
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June Reed, the the girlfriend, was here because she was a friend of of well, I’ll.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I’ll find out about the spelling it out.
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Freedom was married before Pridd.
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Name or.
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Yeah, the baby was a little bit unusual.
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Yeah, well, I’ll, I’ll check.
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Out that spelling, I listen relevant to that.
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OK.
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You will take 14, alright.
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There’s nothing else here I.
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Think Mother’s good wrong.
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I’m trying to remember what it was now in this message that she says she got interested in radio.
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And then Mary went to the north.
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I don’t think at that time of the mother, peace of love, to marry.
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No, you’re.
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No, that would be the provincial police or else.
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Might have been BC police.
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Do you see?
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We didn’t have our CMP in.
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We have the Northwest Mounted Police going back years and years.
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No, no what?
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What they’re talking, what they’re talking about.
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She also talks about the government, which government she didn’t mention the government, but she says mounted policemen here for in those days it would.
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Have to be.
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Within the confines of BC and B2B C policy, I’m pretty sure at that time the RCMP were not allowed to.
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Actually once.
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No, the only.
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You make notes on there.
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Until they got married.
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Probably one of the first.
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Hoped that way in those days.
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What’s that?
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Was on their annual.
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Check on drugs.
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In the pharmacies, hospitals and things.
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They used to come out and every.
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Hospital and druggist had to keep a record and then he would come in.
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Check your book, make a notation and so.
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On and so.
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Well, this was.
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The guy that she was pretty sure was on horseback.
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Well, yeah, BCBC police had mounted in the when they outer districts.
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Well, there that.
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Was, yeah, yeah, but not.
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Another place to me refers to the.
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Now, yeah.
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Yes, I would want to to most readers so.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So how would you?
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Want that changed?
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But if you just make a.
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Note there that it’s probably.
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The BC Provincial police then when I when I rewrite it, I’ll just say.
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On Page 6, mentioning those who took part in the.
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In 1928, when they started broadcasting as 10 AY.
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Would it be?
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Of any interest to the story as part of it to say who these people are.
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Other than their names.
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Yeah, there’s more information.
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See Bobby Johnson was an engineer with with AJ Jones Bookworks.
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He was an Englishman.
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Harry Blakeborough was the city’s electrical engineer at the time.
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Well, of course, Mr.
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Mr. Brown.
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There were a number of.
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That’s OK.
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These things I can get on and get on.
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State just and then there’s spellings and and things like that.
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Oh, I see.
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Actually, that’s where I really need the.
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Well, you’re going to prove.
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It before.
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You well.
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Yeah, I’ve got to do another draft.
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This is this is only the first draft.
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Yeah, is rough.
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I’m going to go through it.
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Yeah, there’s there is background like that which which I wouldn’t mind getting in there.
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For sure. Let me.
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Do this one.
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Still, in your mother’s story, and there’s some.
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Other areas this time.
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Yeah, well, they’re, they’re these objective.
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You can’t make that mention them all because there’s so many.
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The broadcasting light just came too. Now this July 1931 is that?
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Is she is.
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She referring to the days that the company was incorporated.
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She was referring to the day the license arrived.
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Yeah, because this was the day.
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Apparently he was.
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He received a phone call.
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I think I don’t know when that what they they.
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The feature.
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I don’t know because we started, we got.
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We got information that it was through.
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And started building in.
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Either may or June.
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Well, the 27th of July is the.
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Date of the.
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Incorporation, incorporation of the company.
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Yeah. Yeah. So the company.
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But the license, the actual license was granted and it wasn’t granted by the Department of Transport.
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It was granted by the.
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Department of fisheries.
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And do you have a?
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Copy of that somewhere in the officer down the.
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Wall in the photograph.
00:20:31 Speaker 3
Gosh, why were they when, when licensing?
00:20:34 Speaker 5
Well, because the Department of Transport at that time, it was the department, it has, there was such a thing as the Department of Transport had nothing to do with communications because the only communications in the country was either by telephone or Telegraph.
00:20:52 Speaker 5
Or ship to shore radio.
00:20:56 Speaker 5
So fisheries were the only people that were involved.
00:20:59 Speaker 5
In the Canadian government with radio.
00:21:03 Speaker 5
At that time.
00:21:08 Speaker 5
And if you look in the office, Marion, I think the first lessons is in the.
00:21:18 Speaker 5
And it it was put outside the Department of Fisheries.
00:21:23 Speaker 5
The transport was what?
00:21:24 Speaker 7
Ship and rail mostly.
00:21:28 Speaker 5
Transport. Yeah. Ship and rail.
00:21:31 Speaker 5
And the Department of Fisheries.
00:21:37 Speaker 5
Communication by radio was just starting up the coast at that time in the logging camps too.
00:21:44 Speaker 5
And they were having a heck of a time because the Department of Fisheries didn’t know about anything about commercial broadcasting, although there had been placed, positioned previously and how they got to be, I don’t know.
00:21:57 Speaker 6
They don’t know anything about fishing yet.
00:22:00 Speaker 7
Well then.
00:22:00 Speaker 6
You want to say then here in the gym, broadcasting like on the day, the big Gym’s Broadcasting license came through in July 1930.
00:22:09 Speaker 3
One what I was going to say there was spring.
00:22:14 Speaker 3
Because that way I can leave it into into a few months it.
00:22:17 Speaker 3
Doesn’t have to be that specific.
00:22:18 Speaker 6
Yeah, spring 19 January.
00:22:20 Speaker 3
1831 yeah.
00:22:22 Speaker 3
And then I can say the company was.
00:22:23 Speaker 3
Incorporated on the July 17th.
00:22:27 Speaker 7
So you change this from the top of.
00:22:29 Speaker 7
Page 8, then the department.
00:22:30 Speaker 7
Of fisheries rather than transport.
00:22:34 Speaker 5
Well, I think it’s rather interesting.
00:22:35 Speaker 3
That’s good.
00:22:35 Speaker 5
Yeah, I’ve seen something around not too long ago.
00:22:39 Speaker 5
The the license was actually issued by the Department of Fisheries.
00:22:43 Speaker 5
Which very shortly after is the Broadcast Act came out.
00:22:50 Speaker 5
By Bennett.
00:22:54 Speaker 5
Who was going to start the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation?
00:22:59 Speaker 5
Which was in 1932.
00:23:02 Speaker 5
And I think that’s when the Department of Transport got involved in radio.
00:23:12 Speaker 3
So it would have been about the same time the CBC was.
00:23:18 Speaker 5
To the beginning and that’s why we had such a difficult time getting our license because the government itself was discussing about the commercial was beginning to get applications all over the country for commercial radio.
00:23:34 Speaker 3
What was happening in?
00:23:35 Speaker 3
England at that time?
00:23:35 Speaker 3
Did they just totally rule out?
00:23:38 Speaker 3
Any any commercial?
00:23:40 Speaker 5
Yes, there was no such thing as commercial radio.
00:23:44 Speaker 3
Sort of interesting that Canada would have gone.
00:23:46 Speaker 5
Well, America.
00:23:48 Speaker 3
Oh, OK.
00:23:50 Speaker 3
Yeah, that would explain.
00:23:54 Speaker 7
The bottom of Page 8 was Mayor Rattenbury, not rattenberg.
00:23:58 Speaker 3
Rattenbury’s very.
00:24:00 Speaker 3
OK.
00:24:01 Speaker 4
Oh yeah, OK.
00:24:03 Speaker 1
Another one right there.
00:24:03 Speaker 4
I haven’t gone through this.
00:24:04 Speaker 4
I was going to go.
00:24:05 Speaker 6
Through my company and check it for you and.
00:24:08 Speaker 6
And do you?
00:24:09 Speaker 5
There’s another thing here too that.
00:24:13 Speaker 5
She mentions.
00:24:16 Speaker 5
Anyway, and the religious protection?
00:24:28 Speaker 3
Page 1.
00:24:30 Speaker 5
1080Y and.
00:24:34 Speaker 7
Six and seven.
00:24:36 Speaker 5
Right.
00:24:40 Speaker 7
Page 7, religious services.
00:24:44 Speaker 7
Where are you, man?
00:24:52 Speaker 5
Or Saint Michael and all angels churches.
00:24:54 Speaker 5
Now, I don’t think St.
00:24:55 Speaker 5
Michaels were involved in that.
00:24:57 Speaker 6
No, not them.
00:24:59 Speaker 5
Weren’t it was just the United Church.
00:24:59 Speaker 6
No, they were.
00:25:00 Speaker 6
So after I came here and then and then sent, Michael got in on the deal.
00:25:03 Speaker 7
That’s right, they weren’t involved in that.
00:25:06 Speaker 4
And what page is that?
00:25:07 Speaker 7
I believe that story I wrote to your dad and George Dunn, they alternated in broadcast.
00:25:15 Speaker 7
They did.
00:25:19 Speaker 7
Prior to 10 AWI.
00:25:24 Speaker 5
The English church.
00:25:29 Speaker 7
When you’re at when.
00:25:29 Speaker 6
So that may have been.
00:25:29 Speaker 7
You’re just an amateur radio station.
00:25:32 Speaker 7
Their only source of of programming certain times.
00:25:35 Speaker 7
Of the.
00:25:35 Speaker 7
Week where the churches used to put on plays and the United Church and the Anglican Church sort of kept them going.
00:25:47 Speaker 7
Now when 10 away came.
00:25:50 Speaker 7
Well, that was the amateur, wasn’t it?
00:25:53 Speaker 7
Anyway, that’s what kept them going for.
00:25:56 Speaker 7
For programming.
00:25:58 Speaker 5
You know, but 10A Y you see.
00:26:03 Speaker 7
This should be for any commercial.
00:26:05 Speaker 5
This was 1927.
00:26:09 Speaker 7
282028.
00:26:13 Speaker 5
Yeah, that was, yeah, but.
00:26:14 Speaker 5
That was when they formed.
00:26:15 Speaker 5
The Oval Pool Club, which was up in the.
00:26:18 Speaker 7
Old the Oval Oval Club came after that again.
00:26:26 Speaker 7
I I went into that very thoroughly at the time.
00:26:29 Speaker 7
I forgotten where my source of information.
00:26:31 Speaker 7
I still have my draft copy at home.
00:26:37 Speaker 5
2010 anyway was when was when would we have the big paralysis?
00:26:40 Speaker 2
There were wordings.
00:26:46 Speaker 6
What do you mean?
00:26:48 Speaker 7
Bro, I want you. That’ll be what? Around 192820.
00:26:51 Speaker 5
What are you doing?
00:26:52 Speaker 7
Nine somewhere in there.
00:26:55 Speaker 5
It was the falling after that.
00:26:59 Speaker 5
Kenny over pull from stirred up in them.
00:27:04 Speaker 5
Or that they.
00:27:05 Speaker 5
Got it.
00:27:07 Speaker 5
A place to operate out of.
00:27:13 Speaker 6
I’m going to put the.
00:27:14 Speaker 6
Word polio up.
00:27:14 Speaker 6
Here and I’m I’m going to check on that because there’s a reference to polio will leave it.
00:27:19 Speaker 6
Somewhere in a.
00:27:20 Speaker 6
It doesn’t pain with my.
00:27:22 Speaker 7
Shape and you don’t have a copy of that.
00:27:22 Speaker 3
Yeah, I was just noticing that too.
00:27:26 Speaker 7
65 the story.
00:27:27 Speaker 3
I’ve got everyone.
00:27:28 Speaker 3
Of them here, yeah.
00:27:35 Speaker 7
The two churches.
00:27:39 Speaker 7
They provided.
00:27:41 Speaker 7
The churches used to.
00:27:42 Speaker 7
Have have concerts and things like that.
00:27:53 Speaker 7
Anyone used to broadcast or record?
00:27:59 Speaker 7
And I’ve since talked to what’s his name in German burn and right.
00:28:06 Speaker 7
Right in Sherburn burn.
00:28:09 Speaker 7
They both told me that they kept your dad.
00:28:12 Speaker 7
And you should come down and play for him on occasion.
00:28:14 Speaker 6
27.
00:28:16 Speaker 7
I didn’t know they had anything to do with.
00:28:17 Speaker 1
Oh, isn’t that?
00:28:20 Speaker 7
And I was talking to.
00:28:21 Speaker 6
I could be wrong but.
00:28:21 Speaker 7
Birch one time and.
00:28:23 Speaker 6
If she’s desperate, she’s got a.
00:28:24 Speaker 6
A reference.
00:28:25 Speaker 7
He said, Oh yeah, he said.
00:28:26 Speaker 7
I hope.
00:28:29 Speaker 7
OK.
00:28:31 Speaker 2
How is the right?
00:28:33 Speaker 6
Lori, right.
00:28:37 Speaker 2
Oh yeah, right, exactly.
00:28:38 Speaker 6
Lori Wright, they both did.
00:28:54 Speaker 7
Yeah, that goes from.
00:28:57 Speaker 7
Addressing some villagers time, there’s a ham here.
00:29:06 Speaker 3
OK. Well, Jack’s leaving that up. What about the when the transmitter and the original transmitter Poles were raised over the sawmill yard?
00:29:15 Speaker 3
Your mother said that you were helping your father when that happened.
00:29:18 Speaker 3
Can you remember very much about who helped and what?
00:29:20 Speaker 3
What, what that was.
00:29:21 Speaker 3
Like and.
00:29:24 Speaker 3
Problems with anything that came up.
00:29:26 Speaker 5
Well, we started originally with two steel poles, or at least they weren’t steel poles.
00:29:31 Speaker 5
They were just galvanized pipes.
00:29:35 Speaker 5
I remember the bottom one was the three and the.
00:29:39 Speaker 5
3 1/2 or a four inch and then we went progressively smaller.
00:29:44 Speaker 5
And we got the darn thing about 2/3 up.
00:29:48 Speaker 5
By raising it.
00:29:51 Speaker 5
In the top section broke off.
00:29:53 Speaker 5
I forgotten who was around and whose several guys just around helping because they were curious.
00:30:01 Speaker 5
And this bad thing?
00:30:02 Speaker 5
Pretty scared about three or four people.
00:30:06 Speaker 5
So then we got the.
00:30:08 Speaker 5
Fellas out Lumby to courtesies 90 foot cedar pole.
00:30:15 Speaker 5
And they had a heck of a time bringing them down because the old burning road was so twisty and turny they had it.
00:30:21 Speaker 5
They had two trucks, one at each end of these 90 and pulled.
00:30:25 Speaker 5
They had a little log standard build logs on.
00:30:28 Speaker 5
In those days, you know, there was only about 2:10 trucks.
00:30:32 Speaker 5
1 1/2 and they had loaded, loaded and then across the top of the load they had the two long pulled so the trucks had to come around the corner and one and swing away out and the other was swung in.
00:30:44 Speaker 5
And then the other one swing in and the other one would swing out, and it has to block traffic all along the road.
00:30:51 Speaker 5
And they got them all the way down from Lumby like that.
00:30:55 Speaker 3
I saw some film footage of that old Vernon Rd. of a car going down 1928 or something the other day at the Okanogan Historical Society meeting.
00:31:05 Speaker 3
People have no idea.
00:31:07 Speaker 3
You know, when that road used to be like?
00:31:09 Speaker 5
Well, the road out.
00:31:10 Speaker 5
Lundy wasn’t much better either, but they couldn’t.
00:31:13 Speaker 5
First, they couldn’t come up to kick Willie because the corners were too sharp.
00:31:16 Speaker 5
They had to go out through burden.
00:31:19 Speaker 5
And find a place they could turn.
00:31:21 Speaker 5
I think they went out to the railroad yards from Lumby and found the place they could turn around to get going South again.
00:31:31 Speaker 5
With that long, there was no corners they could get around.
00:31:36 Speaker 5
It’s quite a deal.
00:31:39 Speaker 7
This but I.
00:31:39 Speaker 7
Was referring to Jim from there down to there the only error is my.
00:31:43 Speaker 7
Department of Transport.
00:31:44 Speaker 7
I didn’t know about the fisheries.
00:31:46 Speaker 7
At the time.
00:31:49 Speaker 6
And making the traffic.
00:31:51 Speaker 5
Well, I’m not sure now whether Department of Transport.
00:31:56 Speaker 5
It’s no different than with the.
00:31:58 Speaker 5
Granted all relationships they get.
00:32:00 Speaker 5
I’m sure our original relate.
00:32:02 Speaker 2
The guy who came to you?
00:32:03 Speaker 4
And I didn’t want to put, all right.
00:32:03 Speaker 7
Oh, OK, you see?
00:32:04 Speaker 6
But the guy who came back and.
00:32:06 Speaker 1
Told me and.
00:32:08 Speaker 5
I don’t really.
00:32:09 Speaker 5
It’s interesting to me, but I don’t know whether it’s.
00:32:10 Speaker 1
And right.
00:32:14 Speaker 5
We’re bringing it up.
00:32:16 Speaker 6
I’m just going to be, yeah.
00:32:19 Speaker 7
Which is there about the churches, you mean?
00:32:23 Speaker 5
Yeah, I.
00:32:27 Speaker 5
I still don’t think.
00:32:28 Speaker 7
That United Church.
00:32:29 Speaker 6
Because we are both in.
00:32:31 Speaker 5
They were bitter and.
00:32:33 Speaker 7
Yes, I know they were.
00:32:35 Speaker 7
But at that time they they presumably helped raise money.
00:32:40 Speaker 6
Verification and contribution.
00:32:41 Speaker 7
On behalf of your dad and the others.
00:32:43
To keep going.
00:32:44 Speaker 6
To her campaign, like she always spends her own money process.
00:32:50 Speaker 6
So when I left on the freestyle, I left him there.
00:32:55 Speaker 6
We did that time with a lot of.
00:32:56 Speaker 6
Money to be.
00:32:58 Speaker 6
And so I like to know too much about about this and about us. It was 1940, yeah.
00:33:01 Speaker 3
What year would that have?
00:33:07 Speaker 4
OK.
00:33:08 Speaker 6
Yes, I’ll do that.
00:33:11 Speaker 3
You can just scratch that out on margin.
00:33:19 Speaker 5
Yeah, well, that’s it.
00:33:31 Speaker 5
As I say.
00:33:37 Speaker 5
The Department of Transport.
00:33:45 Speaker 5
I’m wondering if they got involved with this.
00:33:47 Speaker 6
Probably will do that.
00:33:51 Speaker 5
Park radio.
00:33:54 Speaker 1
Another union fisheries.
00:33:54 Speaker 5
The voice transmission was done by.
00:34:05 Speaker 5
Don’t worry.
00:34:13 Speaker 7
So they put them in this one, yeah.
00:34:15 Speaker 3
OK, you have this daughter.
00:34:16 Speaker 7
Bay.
00:34:17 Speaker 3
Why not?
00:34:19 Speaker 4
And since it’s the.
00:34:20 Speaker 6
Name of the the Young Church Christmas, Christmas fellow.
00:34:25 Speaker 7
Chris Hanson, yes.
00:34:29 Speaker 6
Yeah, I’ll put his name in here too.
00:34:33 Speaker 7
So I don’t know.
00:34:34 Speaker 7
That’s just the section about the alternate and where the funds.
00:34:39 Speaker 7
Came from there.
00:34:40 Speaker 7
Were a lot of people that that assist.
00:34:42 Speaker 5
There was a lot of people that donated to.
00:34:44 Speaker 5
It, yeah.
00:34:46 Speaker 3
Yeah, I read through that when I.
00:34:47 Speaker 3
Was when I was putting it together, it took some.
00:34:50 Speaker 1
Of it out of there.
00:35:03 Speaker 3
Now there’s another thing too, another question too that I had was the progression of power increases as the station?
00:35:11 Speaker 5
Well, in 1931 we had this.
00:35:13 Speaker 3
Well, I don’t have very much of that in there, no.
00:35:19 Speaker 5
Transmitter which was not a crystal control unit.
00:35:22 Speaker 5
It was a tunable frequency.
00:35:25 Speaker 5
In other words.
00:35:27 Speaker 5
Even on the air, you could move as much as 20 kilocycles either side.
00:35:33 Speaker 5
And people used to phone up, say from Vern and say, well, there’s something interfering with the station on.
00:35:38 Speaker 5
12 I was there 501210 to 1260 I forgot original.
00:35:48
Oh, that would.
00:35:48 Speaker 2
Be an interesting one to have too.
00:35:51 Speaker 5
Or 12:30 but they would phone up, say, well, something’s bothering state. They would say, OK, we’ll move up to.
00:36:01 Speaker 5
Play 1240 or 1235, so it moved the Teddy board to change the frequency and they’d say it’s clear.
00:36:12 Speaker 5
Be on the telephone so everybody was happy.
00:36:15 Speaker 5
Well, that would be a station that might be from Japan or China or anywhere.
00:36:21 Speaker 5
It was interfering with because you just get these nighttime signals.
00:36:29 Speaker 5
If it was a really bad night, sometimes we’d get.
00:36:33 Speaker 5
Cross checked even on either side of US and where we were, you know, there’s just nothing we could do about.
00:36:40 Speaker 5
But we always chased it around, according to the public we tell everybody was listening.
00:36:46 Speaker 5
What we were doing, we were moving.
00:36:48 Speaker 5
10 kill cycles up or down or.
00:36:51 Speaker 2
You know like.
00:36:52 Speaker 3
There’s something I like about that.
00:36:53 Speaker 3
It’s almost got a homemade quality to it, you know, so you can just change your, change your signal or.
00:36:58 Speaker 3
To wherever you want it to be.
00:37:00 Speaker 5
And the original transmitter was.
00:37:04 Speaker 5
He said near 60 Watt shift transmitter.
00:37:07 Speaker 5
Which was converted by Marconi Company into what they considered 100 Watt.
00:37:14 Speaker 5
Transmitter and then head 2211 for the final.
00:37:20 Speaker 5
I think it was two lines.
00:37:23 Speaker 7
I think so and.
00:37:28 Speaker 5
It was.
00:37:28 Speaker 5
We used to have a button on the desk.
00:37:31 Speaker 5
As you remember, you build up the.
00:37:36 Speaker 5
Feed so loud into it that it finally go into distortion, and then she’d just pop off the air and she would get too hot.
00:37:42 Speaker 5
She just pop.
00:37:44 Speaker 5
But you just flick the switch and then cut it back in again.
00:37:48 Speaker 5
Just drop the level little bit.
00:37:51 Speaker 5
And that that went on until.
00:37:57 Speaker 5
I guess it was.
00:38:00 Speaker 5
1934.
00:38:05 Speaker 5
The regulations came out stating that we had to go crystal controlled.
00:38:11 Speaker 5
And that was when we bought our first true 100 Watt transmitter, which was a Canadian Marconi and.
00:38:26 Speaker 5
That, I think was the year we extended that building.
00:38:32 Speaker 5
The old original radio station.
00:38:38 Speaker 5
Originally it was just the studio and the control.
00:38:40 Speaker 7
Room, yeah.
00:38:43 Speaker 6
You know well.
00:38:45 Speaker 7
I didn’t. I didn’t.
00:38:46 Speaker 5
Get up.
00:38:47 Speaker 5
And this is.
00:38:47 Speaker 1
Goodnight.
00:38:48 Speaker 5
When you came here, it was.
00:38:50 Speaker 1
We had the.
00:38:50 Speaker 7
Office up front on that little shack where your.
00:38:53 Speaker 5
Dad at his office? Yeah.
00:38:58 Speaker 5
So that was I think that was 1934 weeks extended the building.
00:39:03 Speaker 5
It was 20 by.
00:39:08 Speaker 5
20 by 30 the original build.
00:39:13 Speaker 5
And the.
00:39:14 Speaker 5
Next section was 20 by 30.
00:39:18 Speaker 7
Your dad’s first office was the back part of the studio, wasn’t it? Couldn’t. Yeah.
00:39:24 Speaker 7
And then when you expanded, then you built that out there?
00:39:28 Speaker 5
We what we built the second time around the configure was the.
00:39:34 Speaker 5
Which became the studio of the Control room.
00:39:38 Speaker 5
That was the.
00:39:38 Speaker 3
2nd in which which part?
00:39:40 Speaker 3
Of the building was.
00:39:41 Speaker 3
Moved over to the.
00:39:47 Speaker 5
Original section I think.
00:39:48 Speaker 7
The original section.
00:39:51 Speaker 7
So that would be the back section, wouldn’t it?
00:39:54 Speaker 3
And is that the part that’s the?
00:39:55 Speaker 3
That’s the bar.
00:39:56 Speaker 3
Section of the.
00:39:57 Speaker 7
It was.
00:39:58 Speaker 7
I had.
00:39:58 Speaker 5
Beginning there, July 24th, placement.
00:39:58 Speaker 7
It was by just many more.
00:40:00 Speaker 7
I would.
00:40:01 Speaker 7
I was discussing that with someone not too.
00:40:03 Speaker 7
Long ago.
00:40:04 Speaker 7
And that.
00:40:06 Speaker 7
And done away with now, but it was.
00:40:09 Speaker 7
It did form the bar area.
00:40:10 Speaker 3
Oh, so it isn’t there anymore then.
00:40:12 Speaker 3
OK, it’s.
00:40:12 Speaker 7
Not from what I understand.
00:40:13 Speaker 3
I’ve been trying to confirm that.
00:40:16 Speaker 3
OK, Earth the searches at the museum says that it is.
00:40:19 Speaker 3
Still part of it today, but.
00:40:21 Speaker 7
I know there well.
00:40:23 Speaker 7
Who was I talking to about?
00:40:24 Speaker 5
That, you know, the room where the fireplaces.
00:40:31 Speaker 3
There’s not a fireplace here now.
00:40:32 Speaker 5
Well, that was part of it.
00:40:34 Speaker 7
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:36 Speaker 6
But that’s a long time since I’ve been there so.
00:40:41 Speaker 3
I think I’ve seen.
00:40:41 Speaker 2
That original party. Yeah, yeah.
00:40:41 Speaker 7
Well, Archie, Archie August would confirm that.
00:40:46 Speaker 7
But I.
00:40:48 Speaker 7
I’m quite sure told that probably the old building isn’t.
00:40:50 Speaker 5
Restore down, rebuild.
00:40:54 Speaker 5
OK, it was the original well.
00:40:55 Speaker 7
Current Yacht Club now.
00:40:57 Speaker 3
That’s the one that you see in the pictures there with the flag raising journaling stuff on the door.
00:41:03 Speaker 2
It was there was a.
00:41:03
Little white building well.
00:41:05 Speaker 5
It could be lapped straight wall, yeah.
00:41:08
OK.
00:41:10 Speaker 3
Yeah, I guess that must be.
00:41:11 Speaker 3
Turned down.
00:41:11 Speaker 3
You put the concrete block.
00:41:17 Speaker 3
OK then.
00:41:19 Speaker 3
From the 100 Watt transmitter, what was the?
00:41:21 Speaker 5
Next, the next move was that was in 34.
00:41:27 Speaker 5
The next move was 38 when we moved out to where?
00:41:30 Speaker 5
We are now.
00:41:33 Speaker 5
And we put in a proper tower and ground system.
00:41:38 Speaker 5
Let’s see.
00:41:39 Speaker 5
Second move.
00:41:40 Speaker 5
We stayed.
00:41:43 Speaker 5
We stayed on the.
00:41:45 Speaker 5
1000 watts until what? Mary 1960 some on?
00:41:50 Speaker 7
We seem to be the last to get a power increase because as long as we were the only station we hadn’t any problem.
00:41:55 Speaker 7
But when Vernon came into being, and.
00:41:57 Speaker 7
Then Ben ticked him every time CKV one the power increase, they blocked it.
00:42:02 Speaker 7
Every time they want the power increase, guys.
00:42:04 Speaker 4
Thank God.
00:42:05 Speaker 4
And we.
00:42:05
Were the best.
00:42:05 Speaker 7
Brown didn’t.
00:42:06 Speaker 6
Against this?
00:42:07 Speaker 7
I don’t believe you people objected, but the others always did.
00:42:08 Speaker 5
No, we didn’t.
00:42:11 Speaker 7
And they got the power increase.
00:42:12 Speaker 7
And we didn’t.
00:42:13 Speaker 3
What year did Vernon and Penticton get their their stations?
00:42:18 Speaker 7
Which Vernon was first written.
00:42:22 Speaker 7
No, it wasn’t Penticton.
00:42:24 Speaker 7
Penticton well yes, we had the satellite, we had the little satellite down there and broadcast from here.
00:42:27 Speaker 5
We originated from.
00:42:32 Speaker 7
Through the transmitter at Penticton to cover that part of the valley and.
00:42:36 Speaker 7
The data particularly.
00:42:39 Speaker 7
So that would be.
00:42:41 Speaker 7
Well, what time did Beattie come out?
00:42:42
All the.
00:42:44 Speaker 6
In 48.
00:42:45 Speaker 7
4840.
00:42:47 Speaker 7
48 yeah.
00:42:48 Speaker 5
It was pre left.
00:42:48 Speaker 6
You’re really married.
00:42:50 Speaker 5
It was there during the war.
00:42:53 Speaker 7
The satellite, yeah.
00:42:54 Speaker 6
Yes, yes, the satellite, the COK was opened and I think I’d be fair.
00:43:00 Speaker 6
In saying in.
00:43:01
48 holes.
00:43:01 Speaker 5
I think 40.
00:43:02 Speaker 7
Yes, yes, yes.
00:43:03 Speaker 7
I thought you meant the other.
00:43:04 Speaker 6
Yeah. No, we.
00:43:05 Speaker 5
Yeah, satellite was about 38 or 3939 or 40, no.
00:43:14 Speaker 7
Not before I left in October 14.
00:43:17 Speaker 1
No, not installing. No but.
00:43:21 Speaker 5
During the war.
00:43:22 Speaker 6
About 4445, not before.
00:43:25 Speaker 7
That because when beauty came.
00:43:31 Speaker 6
It hadn’t been.
00:43:32 Speaker 7
Just well, prior to when was Harry here?
00:43:35 Speaker 4
Harry, what? Yes.
00:43:36 Speaker 6
Well, he is here in 43.
00:43:37 Speaker 7
4312.
00:43:38 Speaker 5
Well, then he went down there.
00:43:40 Speaker 6
In 48.
00:43:41 Speaker 7
When I came home.
00:43:41 Speaker 5
He didn’t.
00:43:42 Speaker 5
He went.
00:43:42 Speaker 5
Didn’t hear you.
00:43:43 Speaker 7
When I came back, Jim.
00:43:46 Speaker 7
In 45, your dad was talking about me going to Penticton or Harry, and Harry went.
00:43:57
So that was.
00:43:57 Speaker 5
Well, then it was, it was.
00:43:58 Speaker 7
46 or 47.
00:43:59 Speaker 5
It was three.
00:44:00 Speaker 5
It was pre there.
00:44:01 Speaker 5
We put it in because.
00:44:03 Speaker 5
I remember going down, in fact, Fred Weber and I went down and worked on the unit.
00:44:07 Speaker 5
It wasn’t before.
00:44:12 Speaker 5
OK, that’s what I’m talking about.
00:44:16 Speaker 5
This was pre.
00:44:18 Speaker 6
Yeah, but Webber came here in.
00:44:20 Speaker 6
August of 42.
00:44:23 Speaker 5
Well, the satellite was in then.
00:44:28 Speaker 7
Or didn’t Jim English look after that for?
00:44:30 Speaker 5
You he did for a while.
00:44:34 Speaker 5
But then we went down and they had transmitter trouble.
00:44:39 Speaker 5
And wherever and I went down.
00:44:42 Speaker 5
And I drove on through to Vancouver, but I.
00:44:46 Speaker 6
But you wouldn’t follow.
00:44:47 Speaker 6
You would come down.
00:44:48 Speaker 5
Through the thing.
00:44:48 Speaker 5
And that was during the war.
00:44:51 Speaker 5
But I couldn’t get tires.
00:44:52 Speaker 5
I blew a tire in Wenatchee.
00:44:55 Speaker 5
And they told me through Jim, when he called in Wenatchee that I was able to get it tired.
Part 2
Transcript
00:00:02 Speaker 1
Heart brought her a reminder.
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They they got it and enjoyed it.
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Well, you would have a copy.
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Of that satellite office on file.
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Well, I I had, I’d have to go through the file.
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I, you know, I kept.
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Well, it wasn’t important.
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You know the best.
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No, but you see, I always kept the.
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Licenses and I’ve I’ve got a lot.
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Of licenses in.
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That file.
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But you know, they it’s the time you really don’t think about it. I bet you 12:50. Nobody cares. Now who’s working at people will be, but maybe 50 years from now.
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They become interested.
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Hey, I could care less.
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Well, you and nothing won’t be.
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Around to worry about.
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I don’t know. Maybe.
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Well, I I went and heard a fellow from the archives in Victoria to speak to you.
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Tonight and he said that.
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They’ve got the damndest stuff on file down there, you know, just all kinds of stuff that seems totally useless and totally irrelevant.
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And yet, sometimes somebody goes along and puts together a history, and they need.
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They need to know.
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These little these.
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Little things.
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I mean, they might use all those names and.
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They might need to.
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Know two of them work there or whatever.
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Who? Who is the man?
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I can’t remember his name, Terry.
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And I guess he’s not very, you know, he was curious.
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Yeah, there was a fellow there.
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Who would be?
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Catbird Clayton was phoned the other night and somebody from Ontario had written to ask.
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It’s it was anyone knew anyone or anything of?
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Terry Ackerman.
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He was the first guy to fly an aircraft off skis during the First World War.
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I guess he’s doing some kind of story on this.
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Something to do with it?
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War and aviation and the start of aviation.
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Oh yeah.
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Sure. Did you see?
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The Patrick Watson special on Sunday night.
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Part three of this thing on Kane Aviation.
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Oh, I I just caught the tail end of it.
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It was really good.
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I was I I haven’t known very much about it, but it told me on everything.
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Amazon messages.
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Pretty much.
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Yeah, that was on the challenger.
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It wasn’t the part I saw here was the building of the.
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Challenger, the Arrow challenger?
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No, this was.
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To start with the.
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This company in.
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Nova Scotia that built.
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Aircraft during the.
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And the in and the planes that are being carried the the Lancasters are being ferried across.
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All the sharing.
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Yeah, the whole thing in there and and the part that City Hall played in, you know, the manufacturing of the planes and stuff that that period.
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Yes, I saw a part of that.
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No, this was last night, I guess.
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I didn’t see that one.
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It was on the.
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Challenge your aircraft that the Canadair is building this.
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Small jet. Yeah, business jet.
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Your mother mentioned your interest in aviation and the the work that went into getting the airport here.
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Can you give me more information on that?
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On who all was involved in in trying to get the airport going and.
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You know, that kind of thing.
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Well, not very much in 19.
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1953.
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The City Council decided to board it up and close it out.
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And there was two which had private planes.
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One was Cliff Renfrew and myself.
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Could I just interrupt there and?
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Say would that be on the old Rutland airport?
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No, this is on the new one. That strip was built in 49, that new strip.
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OK.
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We went to the City Council and said now look.
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We were looking after anybody that comes in for gas.
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We’ll put a notice up.
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They can phone either one of us and look after them for tie downs and make arrangements.
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Imperial allowed to get gas out there.
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In fact, we will put gas in the tanks and pay for it ourselves and sell those the tanks and.
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Our price because we couldn’t be commercial.
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Which we did.
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And then the city came to us and said, look, you’ve got to get a commercial operator here.
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We’re going to close the field down.
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I went hiking around and I found Hermanson.
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Down in Chilliwack.
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And talked him into coming after this was after Okanagan.
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Unavailable for.
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But they became Buchanan helicopters.
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But they had another name.
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Broken oven stopping flying, which was Andy Duncan and and.
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Carl Eager started it together.
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After the war on the Old Rutland Field and they moved out there.
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And then they.
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Andy got fed up with having the Department of Transport and I can’t blame him.
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Anybody has anything to do with the Department of Transport knows this.
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If you get involved with them, they’ll either break your do something silly.
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Soul to the Vancouver Aero Club, the.
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Light aircraft plane section of.
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Which became Bokonon helicopters.
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And they ran up here for two or three years.
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I brought in a fellow by the name of Bill for cellos, flying instructor, and they operated a small charter deal.
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And local.
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Flying teaching.
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And then they decided there wasn’t enough of it.
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So they pulled back into Vancouver and just left it.
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They sold the aircraft to Vancouver.
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You fly.
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Or what?
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No, they didn’t.
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They took the aircraft whistle.
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That was it.
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They took the both aircraft.
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That was why they bought it originally, was to get the two aircraft, but it was a good buy.
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And Okanagan sold at feet to keep the operation going, and that was why they had sold it cheap.
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But because they were a narrow club and we’re having some financial difficulties.
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Mostly through bad management.
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They made excuses with the government and the government went along with the flying clubs and the.
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They were all involved with the RCAF.
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You know.
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Irregular nonsense.
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It goes out in the government and they let them pull out.
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I got hold of Hermanson and Hermanson wanted to get in business on his own.
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He was working for the the Chilliwack flag.
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Club at the time.
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So he got hold.
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Of a couple of aircraft which he little people out of somehow and came up here.
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And started business.
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And it progressed from there.
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It took quite a good little operation and then 50.
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I think it was 59 herbinson by this time and studied every means and ways to get money out of the Department of Transport for Local Improvement. There was money to be had if you approached it properly.
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And we went down, saw Jack Ladd, who was there then.
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And got him to telephone Ottawa right from his garage.
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Careful on date. Careful on. Yeah. No. Because Jack Lamb died in 57, I think.
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I think it was 15.
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Maybe it was just, maybe it was just 59 or 60. We went for the.
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Yeah, we’ve got something at home that says that we were.
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Right there, when they dedicated it.
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Well then.
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We got it. I think it was $10,000.
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And we put a little tape put up in front of the building.
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And then.
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After Jack died shortly after that.
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And whatever year it was.
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And Parkinson became interested in the thing and we were bugging Parkinson and he had by this time.
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He decided then the mayor, he took over.
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He took over from ladders Mirror without being boarded in the first time.
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He just automatically took over when Jack died.
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And then.
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With this activity at the airport and so on, the city rejuvenated the Aviational Council again.
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Which was then.
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Bob Knox.
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Bill Baker.
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Jack Gordon.
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Cliff red fruit myself.
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And hurt.
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So we diddled her on and and I was going back east a lot and traveling for the company.
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And I used to go into the Department of Transport because we were always having trouble with them at the best.
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Of times and.
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So I’d get out of the aviation section and I’d hound hell out of them about this, extending the strip.
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It was a 3000 foot strip.
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Well, they finally said we can’t do.
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Anything about it until you get.
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Some kind of a service in there?
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The passenger service.
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So was that both?
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Hermanson myself.
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You grab macconaghy.
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And we went down and saw Grant.
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And grant.
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Got interested because I’d flown with Grant as a passenger when he was flying walkers from Vancouver up through the Fraser Valley around here.
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In about 35 or 6.
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Long before CPA.
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He was. He was you.
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So Grant thought it was a heck of an idea, so he said I’ll put a DC3 in this time, but this time they’re in the conveyors.
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You know, DC sixes and so on.
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He’s up with A3 in there.
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Against all his management and everything else, put a DC3IN.
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I don’t know.
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The city had a big.
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Dinner, fiddle and things.
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When we were down on the train, don’t you remember?
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And yeah.
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And it was.
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Was about 110 or 120.
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In the sun that the day they opened there.
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Well, that was when the actual big.
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Script got over.
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Oh oh.
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Well, then the thing.
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Got going.
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And we were able to see that.
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CPA is now.
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Dividing itself with DC trees.
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And they’re putting in a convert and they want to put in a 6 and the best, the smallest they can get away with is 5000 feet or 6000 feet. And the department came along off this 5000.
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And Grant said well of small so we can get a 6 into this 5250.
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So we went back up and we finally got them to put in the strip.
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Now she talks about me flying down with the.
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What do you?
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Call it.
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This is when the Conservatives were it because.
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In 5054, Jimmy Sinclair, the Minister of Fisheries, was up here and he stayed at our place.
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For the regatta as.
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When I approached him about this airport and he said no way, he said.
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I tell you what he said.
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If you get Parkinson to run for the mayor.
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We’ll put you in an airstrip or run for liberal.
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We’ll put you in an airstrip.
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And at that time, it looked like Bernie was going to get it because their mirror was liberal. Well then they got defeated in 56.
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And it was.
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Herbs and I had a talk with Diefenbaker and what the heck was his name from Vancouver was a big good looking fellow.
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He’s still around the Conservative party.
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Time passed on a bit and it.
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We got hold of Heese.
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And said no, look.
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You said if you got in, we’d get a stripper here.
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Deep, deep, confronting.
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This was election talk, but.
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So I said bye, guys, she said.
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If you got the ground and stuff, he said, I’ll look into it.
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If you got anything to go on, I said.
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Yes, we have.
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CPA in there in threes and they got to quit because they haven’t got. They’re getting rid of the DC3 that.
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Says you.
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Who’s your man back there?
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And who’s Harrison Smith?
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So I came back and I got hold of Harrison Smith.
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This was a talk I’d had in Ottawa.
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This character and of the ocean dot.
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And then.
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Really was the one that got.
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Parkinson so fired up.
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One day we got hold of Harrison Smith.
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And barks.
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And Hermes and myself, we took one of Hermes and their craft.
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And he was just going to open the Calgary Stampede.
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We got in that night and he said the only thing I can do is have breakfast with you and this was.
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And he had to catch a plane at 7. So we had breakfast at 5:30 in the hotel.
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And that was when the airport was signed up for.
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Yeah, that was lucky.
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The Conservative got in then because that was the only time.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Everybody, let Parkinson.
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Headline this thing to take the whole.
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All the way around, we stayed right out.
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The group that was involved, the same thing, the fallen piece of land that.
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Used to be sold your settlement board.
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It was another 640 acres on the South end of the airport.
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And they.
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This had come up.
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They finally decided they were going to let it go.
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Has been a political football for years.
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You know, if you’re a liberal, you could lease it for so much and.
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And this is what it happened to always use since the First World War.
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So we got hold of the guy and he was coming up here and we knew that there was three bids on we knew of.
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And there was three liberals that I happen to know had bids on this thing, and the top was 31,000.
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Which was.
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Stewart, who was running the.
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Eldorado Ranch at that time.
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And Jim Gammy had a.
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Bit on it and I forgot the other guy.
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Had a bit on it, but they’re the only ones that knew about it for a bit.
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Was kept very, very quiet.
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So we got this guy.
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Kiss your teeth.
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And we started to raise hell with the soldier settlement word that we knew all about this.
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And here they were trying to.
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Little the people, and so on, and started making this thing.
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But so he came tearing up here.
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This is what’s your trouble?
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I said.
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OK, I said we need it for an airport.
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It was going.
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To cost you quite a bit of money, you got some pretty extensive bits on it.
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We took them up and we flew them, flew them around to the alert.
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Should I happen to know?
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About this year, for today was born and brought up in this country.
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And this piece of property, as it has been one of your headaches ever since I can remember.
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It’s been.
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Political football and conference several liberals out here, including bull and a few more.
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And I should do.
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This is your way out.
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Sell it to the sea.
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And then it’s everybody.
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When I said you’re out clean, you’ve got nothing to worry about.
00:19:41 Speaker 1
Started to think that, oh, he said, you know, he said that’s a pretty good suggestion.
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He said that gets.
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Us off the hook.
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I said yeah.
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I said you’re doing the city a big favor.
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He said, well, how much will you spend? And I talked to partners about this and at that time, the city could spend $20,000 without getting reference.
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As far as they go.
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So I said look.
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I said $18,000.
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That’s the next one.
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And I told him the reason.
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He said, well, Gee said, I’ll have to take that back to the office.
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So he did and he came back the following.
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Week he’s the best we can do his 19.
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So we called Parkinson Hermanson this character and myself went down to Parkinson’s office and they signed for the piece of property.
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So how many feet?
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Have we got there now?
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What can they take?
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He’s got 7 / 7 tons.
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And they take the biggest plane.
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They can’t take those.
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They couldn’t take the 40 sevens, nor they could take an 8.
00:21:02 Speaker 1
Or Chevy with the Ford Motor.
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All I need for a long time.
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Yeah, but it was all done.
00:21:13 Speaker 1
The whole thing was done sort of almost under the table.
00:21:18 Speaker 2
Are you into any of?
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That now, are you speaking up?
00:21:21 Speaker 1
But you can imagine, you know, going to the city at that time and saying we want.
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$20,000 to buy some more property for the airport, which too?
00:21:31 Speaker 1
Heading too long, we’re going to close up, yeah.
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And then the government.
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They put in the strip.
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And then they.
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They pretty well built the building’s biggest part.
00:21:54 Speaker 5
And going back into our, our story here is there anymore.
00:21:59 Speaker 5
Jackie, you got another section there.
00:22:02 Speaker 4
You do know how to specifically search?
00:22:05 Speaker 2
I changed that how that’s going.
00:22:07 Speaker 2
You put a cage, you.
00:22:09 Speaker 1
Know the one thing I think we should.
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Drop out of here.
00:22:14 Speaker 1
Are these shared businesses?
00:22:18 Speaker 2
Oh, what page is that, Jim?
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Nine, yeah.
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Just drop the shares but leave the names in.
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That what you mean? Yeah.
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You have the number.
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OK.
00:22:55 Speaker 1
A lot of those shares the original shares were.
00:22:59 Speaker 1
People used to send in donations to 10 ay or the.
00:23:03 Speaker 1
Oval Polo Club.
00:23:05 Speaker 1
And when we went commercial, they still sent him a dollar.
00:23:10 Speaker 1
So we issued.
00:23:12 Speaker 1
That was out of this year.
00:23:15 Speaker 1
Gave those shares a lot of the shares became incorporated, but it got so bloody mixed up and such a hassle.
00:23:24 Speaker 1
And Marion said.
00:23:25 Speaker 5
It was. It was a.
00:23:26 Speaker 5
Quite a a Gordian knot, just.
00:23:28 Speaker 5
Trying to untangle that.
00:23:29 Speaker 1
Thing for 40 years.
00:23:37 Speaker 4
Is your correct ESO St.
00:23:39 Speaker 2
Let’s pay 12.
00:23:44 Speaker 4
You must know, must have known someone by the.
00:23:46 Speaker 4
Name of that book.
00:23:47 Speaker 5
Actually, I was thinking the upper.
00:23:48 Speaker 5
Gasoline probably.
00:23:49 Speaker 5
When I did that.
00:23:51 Speaker 3
Oh Oh yeah.
00:23:52 Speaker 5
Usually on the 1st.
00:23:53 Speaker 5
I don’t worry too much about go through.
00:23:54 Speaker 2
Oh no.
00:23:56 Speaker 2
You know through if through any like.
00:23:59 Speaker 2
On mine I was going to go through for.
00:24:02 Speaker 2
You and I haven’t had time since I.
00:24:03 Speaker 2
Got back with her in the next.
00:24:07 Speaker 2
So when are you going?
00:24:07 Speaker 2
To be starting to work again on this and again.
00:24:09 Speaker 5
I’m going to start on this thing tomorrow.
00:24:12 Speaker 5
I’ve got part of this is going to go into the opening Historical Society report and I’ve got to have that ready.
00:24:19 Speaker 5
By the 15th.
00:24:19 Speaker 5
Of June.
00:24:20 Speaker 5
So I’m starting on the starting the whole thing again tomorrow and then I will right through it.
00:24:26 Speaker 5
And then I’ll, I’ll put down and I’ll.
00:24:28 Speaker 5
Cut out parts.
00:24:29 Speaker 5
Of that for the Historical Society report.
00:24:32 Speaker 5
And then I’ll have the rest of this thing will be finished by the 1st of July.
00:24:36 Speaker 2
A lot better.
00:24:39 Speaker 2
I’ll go through for any things that I saw on my phone, comma mine at home, and I’ll do that tonight and get Jeff to drop it off to you tomorrow.
00:24:42 Speaker 3
OK.
00:24:49 Speaker 2
You come downtown tomorrow.
00:24:53
I don’t know.
00:24:55 Speaker 5
You know, I can always.
00:24:55 Speaker 5
Run out to pick it up.
00:24:56 Speaker 4
I’d have to commit to command.
00:25:00 Speaker 4
Might as well be tomorrow with any other day.
00:25:03 Speaker 2
Yeah, because I’ve gotta clean up.
00:25:05 Speaker 4
I have to get a haircut sometime.
00:25:07 Speaker 4
Between now and the weekend.
00:25:09 Speaker 2
OK. Tomorrow then.
00:25:15 Speaker 5
Now the station went to a.
00:25:16 Speaker 5
1000 watts in 1939 and they wanted.
00:25:18 Speaker 5
To go to.
00:25:19 Speaker 5
3038 and then when did it?
00:25:21 Speaker 5
Go to 5.
00:25:25 Speaker 2
Don’t look at.
00:25:25 Speaker 2
Me, I look for.
00:25:27 Speaker 1
It was either the late late 50s or.
00:25:27 Speaker 3
Many of them too long ago.
00:25:32 Speaker 1
When did we start FM?
00:25:34 Speaker 3
5464 now it wasn’t.
00:25:37 Speaker 4
In the 50s.
00:25:38 Speaker 1
Well, then it was about the time.
00:25:39 Speaker 1
We started there.
00:25:44 Speaker 2
OK.
00:25:44 Speaker 2
Well then I’ll look that up.
00:25:50 Speaker 2
What do I write on?
00:25:52 Speaker 2
I’ll look that up.
00:25:53 Speaker 2
I probably can tell from the licenses.
00:25:56 Speaker 2
Just give me.
00:25:56 Speaker 2
A bit of paper and I’ll make a note.
00:26:14 Speaker 5
OK.
00:26:14 Speaker 5
Another question is when when would the move made from water St.
00:26:19 Speaker 5
to the Pandosy St.
00:26:22 Speaker 1
46.
00:26:27 Speaker 5
They move from water St.
00:26:29 Speaker 5
to or Miller St.
00:26:29 Speaker 2
Well, they would have had the green 46.
00:26:30 Speaker 5
Queensway to.
00:26:32 Speaker 5
And over 464676. OK. And you had mentioned that there was that the somebody did the carpentry in there, that was, oh, Jeff Walton get the.
00:26:48 Speaker 2
The the.
00:26:51 Speaker 2
The reception.
00:26:55 Speaker 2
And and the doors on the studios, which and a number.
00:26:59 Speaker 2
Of them were curved doors would be beautiful.
00:27:06 Speaker 2
Just as busy now, I don’t know whether we.
00:27:10 Speaker 2
We would want to include.
00:27:13 Speaker 2
The fact that.
00:27:15 Speaker 1
You’re right.
00:27:15 Speaker 2
He’s resigning from work.
00:27:17 Speaker 2
Because he wanted to wear shorts to work, and Mr.
00:27:20 Speaker 2
Brown senior didn’t approve.
00:27:23 Speaker 2
He was an individualist, and he wrote a three page letter of resignation.
00:27:29 Speaker 2
I’ve always wished that kept because he was.
00:27:32 Speaker 2
He was a well educated.
00:27:34 Speaker 2
And they give us a.
00:27:37 Speaker 2
Who came from a well known Vic?
00:27:40 Speaker 2
And he he wrote beautifully.
00:27:43 Speaker 2
And he he.
00:27:44 Speaker 2
Wrote this three page.
00:27:45 Speaker 2
Letter designation justifying his right to wear shorts.
00:27:51 Speaker 4
We had a silver plate in his head.
00:27:53 Speaker 4
He was a glider pilot and he crashed and.
00:27:57 Speaker 4
Something crushed it.
00:27:58 Speaker 1
You’ve got this in here, but Silver page 22.
00:28:03 Speaker 4
Just before you get there this.
00:28:05 Speaker 1
It was full. Well, not.
00:28:09 Speaker 1
It was horrible.
00:28:10 Speaker 2
Yeah, I’ll put it in there.
00:28:10 Speaker 1
I know, really.
00:28:14 Speaker 4
I just getting kicked out of this basketball.
00:28:16 Speaker 4
Took place in.
00:28:16 Speaker 4
The Scout Hall, which stood where Will was is not located.
00:28:20 Speaker 3
Yeah, now so typo there actually.
00:28:31 Speaker 1
Woolworths store is where Ratberry house was.
00:28:35 Speaker 1
Yeah, and the good hall was was OK.
00:28:35 Speaker 2
That’s right.
00:28:36 Speaker 2
Yes, it is.
00:28:43 Speaker 1
It was the corner apartment and Rattenbury’s house and let’s go home.
00:28:46 Speaker 2
And and then let’s go home.
00:28:51 Speaker 2
What page was that?
00:28:53 Speaker 2
Home own business?
00:28:54 Speaker 1
22.
00:28:56 Speaker 1
2213 No 13-9.
00:28:59 Speaker 4
13 winshall both retired investment.
00:29:02 Speaker 4
There to make loans performing.
00:29:05 Speaker 1
All my life, all you got over the group was advised feeding for the imperial of it.
00:29:10 Speaker 1
That just was just.
00:29:31 Speaker 4
Forget with friend anything in here about your dad.
00:29:35 Speaker 4
At the start.
00:29:37 Speaker 5
When he was.
00:29:39 Speaker 4
Cursor on the on the CP boat.
00:29:42 Speaker 4
Through the audience.
00:29:43 Speaker 3
I don’t know.
00:29:44 Speaker 5
I mentioned that in here.
00:29:45 Speaker 4
Did you? Oh.
00:29:45 Speaker 5
Yeah, I mentioned the fact that he’s spent some time in the war and as the first year on the CPR both.
00:29:51 Speaker 4
Ohh, I’m sorry I must.
00:29:52 Speaker 4
Have missed it.
00:29:53 Speaker 4
Oh, here we are.
00:29:57
We want to.
00:29:58 Speaker 4
Following stretches in the blue wire.
00:30:05 Speaker 4
Anything like that?
00:30:10 Speaker 4
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, sorry.
00:30:28 Speaker 3
Did you?
00:30:29 Speaker 1
Say that art Miller had died.
00:30:32 Speaker 2
No, I didn’t. I don’t.
00:30:33 Speaker 2
Know I don’t know where he is.
00:30:39 Speaker 2
It seems to me that somebody suggests they might.
00:30:42 Speaker 2
Be dead right?
00:30:43 Speaker 1
Yeah, I heard.
00:30:44 Speaker 1
Talking to pick from somebody.
00:31:03 Speaker 5
In addition to the things that are in in the in that material there, can anybody think of any other incidents that were?
00:31:09 Speaker 5
That sort of fit into the sequence of things that have been left out.
00:31:16 Speaker 5
You know, there must have been an awful lot that nobody can tell me about yet.
00:31:23 Speaker 2
One thing I I was wondering about you.
00:31:26 Speaker 2
You spoke one time about the the the sequence of events or how radio progress and and while we’re in Victoria the other day and it’s hard to fill it called Frank Bond.
00:31:40 Speaker 2
Now, frank.
00:31:43 Speaker 2
Frank had some things to say about programming and that because he he was came as an announcer and and and then became a.
00:31:51 Speaker 2
The program director killed the incidence of.
00:31:56 Speaker 2
But you would not your dad.
00:32:02 Speaker 2
Your dad.
00:32:03 Speaker 2
Not loaded and then we showed up and you know his his stories were quite interesting.
00:32:06 Speaker 4
Got a telegram.
00:32:11 Speaker 4
She’s the consist to lose her license.
00:32:16 Speaker 2
If you would be interested.
00:32:17 Speaker 1
They didn’t.
00:32:17 Speaker 1
They didn’t telephone, no.
00:32:18 Speaker 2
In a kid.
00:32:18 Speaker 2
From him, which may be incorporated later on.
00:32:22 Speaker 5
I’m gonna be running out of time.
00:32:23 Speaker 5
He’s he’s.
00:32:23 Speaker 5
Not coming until the night.
00:32:25 Speaker 2
No, but I mean I would get in touch with.
00:32:27 Speaker 3
In fact, I think, OK, we can get.
00:32:29 Speaker 5
It to you before.
00:32:29 Speaker 1
I think he phoned and returned.
00:32:31 Speaker 5
Before the 15th of June.
00:32:34 Speaker 1
Also, they’ve got the million networks here.
00:32:36 Speaker 3
And it’s dictated into it, great.
00:32:40 Speaker 4
And on the bottom of 15, there wasn’t a phone call through.
00:32:44 Speaker 4
We got a telegram of the afternoon after.
00:32:48 Speaker 5
Oh, OK.
00:32:48 Speaker 4
The next afternoon we got a call from Telegram from Ottawa, Tonya.
00:32:53 Speaker 3
She’s here to sit.
00:32:54 Speaker 3
Just sit.
00:32:56 Speaker 5
OK.
00:32:56 Speaker 4
Now what?
00:32:57 Speaker 4
Where was the other one, John or Jim?
00:33:00 Speaker 1
Minion Networking could do.
00:33:03 Speaker 4
What page are you on?
00:33:10 Speaker 5
Is it the point about the little, the radio, Rascal, Dominion?
00:33:11 Speaker 1
15 years.
00:33:14 Speaker 1
Page 15, Nadian Dominion Network that we had there was.
00:33:14
Yes, we were.
00:33:18 Speaker 1
A Dominion network, but this we were.
00:33:21 Speaker 4
We were Trans Canada.
00:33:21 Speaker 1
Never part of.
00:33:23 Speaker 2
We were never part of it.
00:33:23 Speaker 4
There were.
00:33:24 Speaker 4
Two networks, Vernon, Vernon and Penticton, had something to do with the Dominion while it was in existence.
00:33:32 Speaker 4
Trans Canada network is work.
00:33:33 Speaker 1
It wasn’t.
00:33:34 Speaker 1
I don’t think they’re.
00:33:35 Speaker 2
It was a commercial network.
00:33:36 Speaker 1
Yeah started this.
00:33:39 Speaker 2
What time are they saying?
00:33:40 Speaker 1
We’re talking at the start of the war.
00:33:44 Speaker 2
After the Lord.
00:33:45 Speaker 1
I see the Dominion network.
00:33:50 Speaker 1
They formed the network during the part of the war, which was an emergency network that they could take control of all radio station.
00:33:59 Speaker 1
Across the country.
00:34:00 Speaker 2
Yeah. So what is that?
00:34:02 Speaker 2
For all.
00:34:04 Speaker 1
And that’s what became the Dominion network.
00:34:08 Speaker 2
That the Trans Canada network was the one that was connected to all stations, because if you remember on.
00:34:13 Speaker 1
Yeah, see CBC?
00:34:15 Speaker 1
That’s right.
00:34:16 Speaker 2
On August 12, 1945.
00:34:17 Speaker 1
They called it.
00:34:21 Speaker 2
The the war was declared over in Canada on the CBC.
00:34:27 Speaker 2
Whatever the network was, because we were picnicking out on the mission, a bunch of US radio kits, and it was my versus why I remember so well.
00:34:35 Speaker 2
And we’re sitting there and and we’ve got a radio going and they declare that war is over.
00:34:41 Speaker 2
And we, we, we we didn’t have a drink of beer or anything, you know, we just it was sort.
00:34:45 Speaker 2
Of flat.
00:34:45 Speaker 2
See the waters over in here with it.
00:34:47 Speaker 2
And then I guess 1/2 an hour later or whatever. Less than that, maybe they came on and said it was a mistake. And of course it wasn’t until.
00:34:56 Speaker 3
August the 14th.
00:34:57 Speaker 5
Well, what a mistake.
00:34:58 Speaker 2
Yeah, August the 14th that that it was actually.
00:35:05 Speaker 1
Remember, I was on duty.
00:35:06 Speaker 1
It transmitted when war was declared and we were tied into the network.
00:35:12 Speaker 1
When it was officially planned.
00:35:14 Speaker 4
Your yes.
00:35:14 Speaker 4
Your dad and I.
00:35:17 Speaker 1
We were broadcasting from.
00:35:17 Speaker 4
At at the studio and we stayed on all night and I had my receiver helicopter receiver in there and he was coughing down and he was hidden from Americans because every time, every time a bulletin came through, we interrupt this program for Special News Bulletin.
00:35:34 Speaker 4
CBC in the east would cut it and play records, and when an American bulletin was over, we now returned to the NBC, CBS or whatever the.
00:35:44 Speaker 5
What was the reason for?
00:35:45 Speaker 5
For holding them.
00:35:46 Speaker 4
Well, Canada hadn’t declared.
00:35:48 Speaker 2
We didn’t declare war on the.
00:35:49 Speaker 2
7th, as we declared on the 3rd in Britain.
00:35:50 Speaker 4
Oh, I see.
00:35:52 Speaker 5
But they didn’t, they they they didn’t want Canadians to know the British.
00:35:56 Speaker 2
Well, no, no.
00:35:57 Speaker 4
No, it wasn’t that, but we.
00:36:01 Speaker 2
Goodness no.
00:36:03 Speaker 4
Politics and poor degree security.
00:36:04 Speaker 1
It was politics.
00:36:05 Speaker 1
Against the king he was today, or whether he was going.
00:36:08 Speaker 1
To get involved.
00:36:08 Speaker 3
Well, this was.
00:36:09 Speaker 2
The whole thing he was trying to stay out of it.
00:36:11 Speaker 2
If he could have done, you know, he had to vote in what, four days?
00:36:14 Speaker 1
Think it was the 7th?
00:36:15 Speaker 1
The thing I’ve forgotten the actual days now, but he.
00:36:18 Speaker 2
Either the 7th or the.
00:36:19 Speaker 2
Night of the 10th.
00:36:22 Speaker 1
When war was declared.
00:36:26 Speaker 1
And it was enough.
00:36:26 Speaker 1
It was about 1:00 or 2:00 o’clock in the morning.
00:36:30 Speaker 1
Our time.
00:36:33 Speaker 2
What’s up?
00:36:38 Speaker 1
It was during the night that we were broadcasting from the transmitter.
00:36:46 Speaker 4
Your dad, now that studio.
00:36:48 Speaker 1
Yeah, but on the all night we stayed on.
00:36:52 Speaker 1
After that, Britain had got on the war and we were.
00:36:57 Speaker 4
For 21 in 39 September.
00:36:58 Speaker 1
We’re right.
00:37:01 Speaker 1
And we had the turntables out at the transmitter.
00:37:04 Speaker 1
We moved 2 turntables out there to the old turntable.
00:37:06 Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:08 Speaker 1
And we stayed on.
00:37:15 Speaker 1
Running partly network and partly our own stuff was cutting in and out.
00:37:22 Speaker 4
Those at the studio all night until up past eight or nine, and went to the hotel and had.
00:37:29 Speaker 4
An hour sleep and came back.
00:37:32 Speaker 4
Your dad let me go and have a little.
00:37:34 Speaker 4
Sleep and then might be and then back again.
00:37:39 Speaker 4
I forgot forgot whether he had any.
00:37:40 Speaker 4
Food brought in or not, but.
00:37:43 Speaker 4
The two of us were.
00:37:44 Speaker 2
Yeah, all night.
00:37:47 Speaker 1
I was on the air when that mine disaster happened.
00:37:51 Speaker 2
Spring Hill.
00:37:53 Speaker 1
Nova Scotia and I was on for 70 odd hours by myself.
00:37:57 Speaker 1
My God.
00:37:59 Speaker 1
The old man was in bed, and so was our other.
00:38:05 Speaker 1
I forgot who it was at that time.
00:38:08 Speaker 2
The the 1937 was the spring.
00:38:14 Speaker 1
I was on the air alone.
00:38:18 Speaker 1
Shouldn’t be odd hours but.
00:38:24 Speaker 5
What about the?
00:38:25 Speaker 5
Grand Cathy Jackson.
00:38:27 Speaker 5
I haven’t haven’t gotten enough information on him, but I’ve heard so many stories from, or so many references.
00:38:32 Speaker 1
So he was the 1st.
00:38:34 Speaker 1
Announcer that did the.
00:38:38 Speaker 1
Weak board.
00:38:41 Speaker 4
James Richardson and Senate.
00:38:46 Speaker 1
And he.
00:38:50 Speaker 3
He came.
00:38:51 Speaker 1
Here, after the war gave your after the war.
00:38:52 Speaker 4
After the war.
00:38:54 Speaker 3
What was?
00:38:55 Speaker 4
He came the year we moved in to the.
00:38:59 Speaker 4
Present location 46.
00:39:01 Speaker 1
Yeah, 46 or 47.
00:39:05 Speaker 2
I could.
00:39:05 Speaker 2
I could give you the actual data.
00:39:07 Speaker 4
And these are 46 or 47.
00:39:12 Speaker 2
And even.
00:39:14 Speaker 2
He was called the early bird.
00:39:16 Speaker 2
Yeah, he ran the early.
00:39:19 Speaker 1
Of the early bird show.
00:39:23 Speaker 2
Early bird as a personal.
00:39:23 Speaker 4
As a personality.
00:39:26 Speaker 5
What time in the morning would that start there?
00:39:28 Speaker 1
7:00 o’clock.
00:39:29 Speaker 2
Seven o’clock 7 till 10.
00:39:31 Speaker 1
And then it started to eventually went down.
00:39:34 Speaker 4
Earlier we shut it down at.
00:39:35 Speaker 4
630 yes, yes.
00:39:38 Speaker 1
I wish to.
00:39:38 Speaker 1
Sign off the body.
00:39:41 Speaker 2
Yeah, well, galardi used to come in and really be 7:30 and move back to 7:15 and seven and a quarter two. And essentially I think they got.
00:39:48 Speaker 1
Yeah. Then to 6:30.
00:39:50 Speaker 2
It back to 6:00 o’clock.
00:39:52 Speaker 1
And then he finally quit.
00:39:54 Speaker 4
I don’t under.
00:39:57 Speaker 4
Recall Mill Lane.
00:40:01 Speaker 4
When did the Ave.
00:40:01 Speaker 1
Well, I don’t think it ever was.
00:40:04 Speaker 1
No, no.
00:40:05 Speaker 1
It might have been back.
00:40:07 Speaker 4
Mill Ave.
00:40:07 Speaker 4
when I came here and there.
00:40:09 Speaker 1
Yeah, but I think it might have been rolling.
00:40:15 Speaker 1
I don’t think far away.
00:40:16 Speaker 4
See, during the 40s, the station broadcast from a small middle lane.
00:40:20 Speaker 4
Studios with Middle lane men.
00:40:21 Speaker 5
Well, OK, maybe 40.
00:40:23 Speaker 5
Yeah, I think I got that from Harry Mitchell when he was talking about the streets and how there was no, there were no avenues or streets of the members were all screwed open and everything.
00:40:24 Speaker 3
Can’t I couldn’t.
00:40:29 Speaker 4
Or that could be long before 39.
00:40:33 Speaker 5
Yeah, that’s the 30.
00:40:34 Speaker 2
What’s that? Yeah.
00:40:38 Speaker 1
Oh gosh.
00:40:39 Speaker 3
How long?
00:40:40 Speaker 2
She didn’t hear that.
00:40:41 Speaker 5
He’s finished since night.
00:40:42 Speaker 5
He came here.
00:40:42 Speaker 5
Almost the.
00:40:43 Speaker 5
Same time your your parents, yeah.
00:40:49 Speaker 5
I’m sorry, I take that back. You’re right here in 1931.
00:40:53 Speaker 5
I take that back.
00:40:54 Speaker 1
That’s more like it.
00:40:56 Speaker 1
He went to work for tree fruit shortly after.
00:41:00 Speaker 1
And he used to do the new book from tree fruits once a week.
00:41:04 Speaker 5
He say did.
00:41:05 Speaker 5
It for about 20 years or so.
00:41:08 Speaker 1
And but he didn’t come.
00:41:10 Speaker 1
Mill Ave.
00:41:11 Speaker 1
was there long, long before that I, as long as I can remember, it was mill that.
00:41:20 Speaker 2
We’ll pay you back.
00:41:21 Speaker 4
Jack, well, this is the second reference.
00:41:25 Speaker 4
This is 17.
00:41:29 Speaker 4
No language somewhere else.
00:41:33 Speaker 5
OK.
00:41:33 Speaker 5
I’ll catch it when I go back through.
00:41:35 Speaker 5
And Grant Patty Jackson his program was was primarily just music and news, or.
00:41:41 Speaker 1
There’s you can chatter.
00:41:43 Speaker 2
Music and he worked with two of them.
00:41:47 Speaker 2
Worked closely together.
00:41:50 Speaker 2
Yes, he used to.
00:41:50 Speaker 2
He was.
00:41:51 Speaker 2
He was the he was the.
00:41:53 Speaker 2
Arch was the line.
00:41:55 Speaker 2
And he was not an announcer, but he Grand Pappy.
00:41:59 Speaker 2
Jackson used to encourage them.
00:42:02 Speaker 2
To take part in the show.
00:42:04 Speaker 2
And art has quite a keen sense of humor, and he used to do some racist and he will have a commercial or a meat market here, which is.
00:42:18 Speaker 2
Part broke, or whether we actually wrote it or or AD led the commercial.
00:42:24 Speaker 2
They substance cut in mutton.
00:42:27 Speaker 2
Well, Mr.
00:42:29 Speaker 2
Sutton was absolutely furious because people would walk in and say we hear you’re cutting, letting today’s session.
00:42:36 Speaker 2
And but after a while, he realized that people were coming in and buying this money.
00:42:41 Speaker 2
So that became sort of a a byword as sort of a slogan for something new.
00:42:48 Speaker 2
But that art and and Grand Pappy had quite a lot of fun together and and really nice love the show and.
00:42:58 Speaker 2
Of course, a lot of these.
00:43:02 Speaker 2
Jack Thompson was appealed to them very much.
00:43:06 Speaker 2
Grand Pappy Jackson, no matter where he went, it was Grand Pappy Jackson, even long after he left with the young people and.
00:43:15 Speaker 2
A lot of people never knew.
00:43:16 Speaker 2
Him by any other.
00:43:17 Speaker 4
Name this is the wrong there.
00:43:22 Speaker 3
We’re talking about here at Chilton.
00:43:24 Speaker 3
546.
00:43:26 Speaker 3
One and 48 bits with this.
00:43:33 Speaker 5
In 39, OK.
00:43:34 Speaker 2
I’ve got a note on here.
00:43:42 Speaker 1
Incidentally, honey, it might fit in with the start of this thing. 31 I was the original station engineer.
00:43:50 Speaker 5
As such, OK.
00:43:53 Speaker 1
And that was my.
00:43:57 Speaker 3
How how did you get?
00:43:59 Speaker 5
Your background because electronics back then must have.
00:44:01 Speaker 5
Been a really raw.
00:44:03 Speaker 1
I didn’t have any.
00:44:03 Speaker 3
Right.
00:44:05 Speaker 1
I just picked it up from the engineers.
00:44:07 Speaker 1
We constructed the station.
00:44:10 Speaker 1
He showed me what to fix and what not to say and to holler when things went wrong.
00:44:15 Speaker 1
You tell me what to do.
00:44:18 Speaker 1
That when we put it.
00:44:20 Speaker 4
That was when you acquired a taste for rum.
00:44:22 Speaker 4
Wouldn’t it?
00:44:24 Speaker 2
Yeah, that’s not supposed to go in the book.
00:44:30 Speaker 2
But essentially, Jim has always been really interested in the technical end of it.
00:44:39 Speaker 2
Is starting the station and then and the progression from as to location of the transmitter is to the.
00:44:49 Speaker 1
Old man had no, you know.