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In Kelowna, yeah, this particular area.
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This Trans Canada network was a commercial.
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That was just CBC.
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It was the CEO’s, CBC’s president.
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GBC from Coast to coast, and they carried commercials.
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Yes, because part of their.
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The Canadian Radio Corporation was you see, the Radio Canada, Umm, EC, Radio Canada?
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They used to say that I guess they still.
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Do do they?
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No, it’s Canadian radio corporation.
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Yeah, but they used the French too.
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Canadian Radio Corporation Canadian Radio Commission, wasn’t it no.
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Became the Commission and Broadcasting Corporation.
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Canadian CBC broadcasting.
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And prior to them.
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Prior to that.
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Prior to that, it was Broadcasting Corporation was the original.
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An item what?
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But prior to 1930.
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Seven, it was the.
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Canadian Radio Commission.
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And when it was, when it was railway before the CBC came into being.
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CVC came in.
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And out 1937.
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Because that double button carbon mic I have I bought from CNV.
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Or the CBC station in Vancouver.
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Because they, the CBC, was coming in and they.
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Were getting rid of all.
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Their old equipment, the CBC, was in prior to that station changing in that station was operating as a CBC station, as an outlet.
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Yeah, yes, yes, I know.
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Canadian Broadcast Corporation.
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But they were.
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They were.
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Before they became a station, before they changed to.
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You know, but there was a.
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Oh, what was?
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It was a railway deal.
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It originally was owned by the CNR the CNR V
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Yo-yo.
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That’s right.
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And Ross, McIntire and I went out and helped, but seemed together one stage of the game when we get staged over night.
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He is.
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I don’t know what he.
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Is now but about.
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Two or three months ago, he suffered.
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A heart attack and he’s been living in Anomal.
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For a number of years.
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And it spoke like.
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3-4 months ago I told you.
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He had had very tough one that ever became.
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From I don’t know.
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In fact, I’m not trying to get some time.
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I forgot who was telling me.
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Now I’ve got here.
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This group were always great friends of ours and radio, CK TWX 2 and.
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Miss Russ McIntyre was the.
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Engineer for them.
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And I think he was about as much engineer as I was, you know, as far as.
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Did you ever know of a Ted Fowler?
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We worked with CK MO and then went over and worked with Ross, and after they signed off WX at night, they used to hook up.
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I remember the name.
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Their modulator and one thing the other to the ham.
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Outfit and sort of bootlegging.
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What was it, 1000 watts or something?
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Yeah, and a great time.
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I opened so we except one morning.
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Ross was too drunky to get up the stairs in the garage.
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You went in.
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The garage at the foot of the steps there was a a coke dispenser, I suppose. One of the first Coke dispensers there was in those days they used to say, put a piece of raw meat in it in a week’s time.
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There was no meat.
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The coke just ate it out, and so they’d say.
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All right, that’s that’s what it does to one stomach.
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When you drink coke, smoke cigarettes and no food, and then you go up the stairs into the transmitter room.
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That’s where I sit and Ted held out.
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And parted in 19.
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Who was the fellow that we met that time?
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Down in the.
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Was that Ross McIntyre?
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Or was that?
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There’s ray mcniss.
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Oh yeah.
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And John, John sharp.
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Ray was my first technical boss and.
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Then he went to CBC.
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You would have known him too then.
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And he’d been an operator on rum runners before he came to Chicago.
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And he was the engineer there.
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Ernie Ruzicka was his assistant, and I was next to mine when Ray went to CPC, and he became the engineer.
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And I was his assistant.
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What was rum runners of the program during as?
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No, no, no.
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This was as it was a radio.
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A runner, OK? Yeah.
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There used to be quite a number of those out of.
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Vancouver. Yeah, in those days.
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I heard some interesting stories from a doctor down in Oliver the other day about the running across the border, down through there and and he had some.
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In some figures said 1500 cases a month.
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We’re going out of all of.
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Her down through that area and the the trains.
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That that would come come along.
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That would run on the border, would they they?
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They load them up on the Canadian side.
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The booze.
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And then they the train would go down across the border and have to stop to fill up its water tanks or something.
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And all this booze would just start disappearing, and every stop, the train, the train had to make down there.
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A lot of it was going through.
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Go ahead.
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Your life was kind of interesting in those days.
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They’re much more interesting.
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You know, I guess they would need a lot of.
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Bucks out of Winnipeg.
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Who was?
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It red hues that was telling us about that.
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Yeah, there was a lot of room and he had a Winnipeg the fact be all done with the cars, most of it.
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I’m not sure if I’d rather.
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All across the pier.
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Grace was bad for it, and so it was Rock Creek and all these ordered points.
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Well, of course.
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That was the 20s.
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It wouldn’t be red.
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Hues might have been.
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You wouldn’t be involved be.
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You know we wouldn’t be involved.
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No, I wasn’t involved.
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And I would hear you mean.
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But Kelly, you know, the cop that was here?
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What name do?
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You think I remember name.
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Kelly, he was the head pushed here when the RCMP took over.
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Oh, you know.
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You don’t mean.
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Oh yeah.
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Well, he was involved in the tailor.
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You want to please him.
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Well, it wasn’t a policeman then.
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No great big guy.
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Yeah, he was.
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On the coast.
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His daughter, what he called about quadrille.
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And I think it is now.
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Oh, sure you.
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He is a friend of yours, Jack.
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You remember him?
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Kelly Kelly, Kelly, Irving, Kelly, Irving.
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Come here.
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Yeah, Kelly Irving.
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What’s the name of?
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The fellow is still.
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In jail if he still is.
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Or did MacDonald wasn’t shopping?
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All he’s.
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He’s dead now.
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Well, he wasn’t dead too many years ago.
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It could be, yeah.
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There was a story about it in one of.
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The papers, yeah.
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Was there? I’ll be there.
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They let him out once, but he’d been.
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In jail for so.
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Long it couldn’t take it, he.
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Wanted to go back.
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He might, you know the story, but I’m shooting.
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The girl was his name wasn’t McDonald.
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McDonald was a cop at McDonald, was shot by him.
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And MacDonald was the cop that took over when they brought in the BC police.
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After he killed this girl and this McDonald.
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Last night the.
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McDonald, that went to Chilliwack that had their daughter redheaded daughter.
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Yeah, well, he was the one that came in as a first VC.
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What was his first?
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Alex McDonald here.
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One that was shot was, oh, hell, I used to use his horses.
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Archie Donald was the one with the shot.
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He married the girl who worked for.
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Doctor Knox.
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So he was a MacDonald too different.
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Yeah, but they but they were both McDonald’s, the one that was shot.
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Yeah, we came in as a shooter.
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And the shooting.
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I thought so because that that fellow McDonald, Alec MacDonald was in Nanaimo.
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As a policeman.
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Because I went to school with Gwen.
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The redhead and and then.
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What was the other one?
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Where do you land?
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Yeah, more, more, more, more.
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Something like?
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Yeah, very, very close.
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More like.
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Yeah, that’s right. Yeah, sure.
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Yo-yo.
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Or Meg.
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Well, I think they might have.
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She’s dead.
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Bothered me.
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You know, I think she’s pretty.
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I think she is, you know.
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I saw Quinn once, just after the war.
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She was working in.
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Whether you were with me or not.
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No, no.
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In the Bay in Vancouver.
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Oh yeah, yeah, seems to me.
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I was in Vancouver one.
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Right, this would be.
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What was after the split up anyway?
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Maybe three or four or five years after?
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And ran into Butler.
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And he was the district police at that time there.
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In McDonald’s day.
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He and I were talking and I said this was before booze in the Georgia.
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No booze at start.
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That was it.
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George George was inspector.
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McDonald was fired Inspector for the BC government and I’ve forgotten what Butler was.
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He was some Special Branch to do with police.
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That’s after he left.
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Hearing, yeah, but this was they were still working in, in special branches of the BC government after the RCMP took over.
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Butler and I are standing there and I’m asking to come to the room and.
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Have a drink.
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Today he tried to knock me off for horse stealing so many times that it wasn’t funny.
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And who should walk in but Wyman?
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Judge will have a motion.
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So George White needs a liquor inspector.
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Is that what he went to?
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Oh my God.
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And then George.
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And Butler and I are just starting up the elevator and in comes back McDonald.
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So I had.
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I’d be nice and I had a 40 ounce bottle of rye.
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In the room.
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And a 40 ounce bottle of Scotch.
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So we got in my room and we started telling stories.
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Back through the open.
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And the four of us sat there until 5:00, o’clock in the morning.
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We went out, I went and got another couple of jugs somewhere.
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We cleaned up all the whiskeys.
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It was.
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OK.
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And all these old goats.
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You know, these bloody old policemen.
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Well, it must have been.
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Some good stories, Paul.
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Oh, Gee, funny.
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Yeah, you know, I was.
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You were saying that I was thinking that.
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Really you can.
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You hardly get those.
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You would you would never.
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You would never read.
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You get.
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Those stories or those that type of story again.
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No, it was.
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The things that.
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It was something you had had ahead and recorded there, you know, they were just fantastic story.
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Happen now again, these are more business related to who or what or who’s developing and what and who and how are they managing it and what they think.
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But they the stories of how they the areas are developed.
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And you just never see them again.
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You know, it’s a shame, in a way.
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I don’t know that we even get the characters that we used to get.
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I wonder sometimes, although now and again, you run into.
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Well, things are moving so fast nowadays.
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To what?
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They were then.
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There was a lot going on then granted, but everybody was just getting into the swing of things.
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This towns and cities.
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Were growing.
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But they were still fun.
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Yeah, but it was crazy.
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I am.
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I remember.
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Coming from the transmitter into here, Freddy and I were working on it one night.
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And I guess we spent two or three nights, but there’s one particular night we do something out there and it’s say OK, now you get into the studio.
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And do whatever I was doing to check from there to the plant.
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607075 miles an hour down pandosy not a soul insight this would be 1.
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2:00 o’clock in.
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The morning no policeman not.
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Try and do that today.
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Well, if you want the policeman, you phone central to where are the cops tonight?
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Who’s having a party?
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Well, it was.
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It was a great time.
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We had a real gabfest at night and it’s the first time they had seen each other since.
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They’d all diverged from different things.
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They had a real chinwag.
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I guess too, you know, a lot of those fellows that didn’t move over to the RCMP eventually left because they couldn’t stand it.
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Oh yes, they couldn’t stand it.
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The paperwork.
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Yeah, too bad, you know.
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And the policing went right.
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Downhill was always more paperwork than it is.
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Police work.
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Yeah, at that time for everything.
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What was it? 7 copies.
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I walked in there one day, we had a.
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Little cap up here in the Bush.
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And somebody came and cleaned it out.
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You know ahead.
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Put that away.
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Dishes and yeah, it was fully equipped.
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You could walk in there and that camp there was a Arlington Lake.
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There was a root cellar full of, you know, canned grab and stuff like that.
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And some guy walked in there and told the whole bloody works.
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So I thought, well, I’ll go ahead and report this to the police.
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Not that I expect them to go and look for it because the value was nothing really, you know, in bed sheets and.
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In what chance anyway?
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You know this sort of thing.
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Mattresses and all state and dishes and.
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And forks and kettles and.
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So I went in to report it.
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And the guy looked at me and he said, are you reporting a robbery?
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And I said well, yes.
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When did it happen?
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I said, well, I was up there hunting last fall.
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By this time, it’s.
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Started the following hunting season sometime during the year.
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He said, well, what do you expect me to do about it?
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I said I don’t expect you to do anything I said.
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I just want to report it in case this stuff turns up somewhere.
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Was due with some article to remark.
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He said, well, we’re not interested.
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Oh my goodness, I said.
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What the hell kind of a police force is this?
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He said you can’t talk to us like this.
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Well, I said I’m asking a question.
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What kind of police forces?
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He said, well, do you realize how many copies we would have to write on this?
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What sort of reports we would have to make every month on this?
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Because we can’t spend their time on stuff like this.
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We’re just not interested, I said.
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Well, wait a minute, I said no.
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What happens if you run into it?
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A situation where you’re run into some other store and stuff and this?
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Is mixed with it.
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And how am I to be notified?
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I’m sorry, we’re just not interested.
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Unless you will hear.
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One hell of a police force.
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I guess it was just as bad for.
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A lot of them as.
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Because the BC police she went in there and said, well, this has happened.
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I’m, you know, I’m not expecting to go up unless you want to go and look for yourself.
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At the place.
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And the damage done and the surging.
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Somewhere, someplace, maybe another cabinet being built and another policeman knew something about it in Rock Creek or.
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Whatever, yeah.
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Timbuktu or somewhere?
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And they’d get talking back and forth.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, you know about it was a.
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And so there.
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And then all of a sudden, everything shows up and they like to.
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They like to know about these.
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But this RCMP guy, he just didn’t want any bit of talk.
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No way.
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We don’t want we don’t do business that way.
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It didn’t involve a gun or we don’t.
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Smuggle drugs or something? Didn’t.
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Know what they did?
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They took some dynamite and put in those two cabinets and they filled a stove up with dynamite and set it off and blew the one shack to pieces.
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And now blew the stove to pieces.
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Virtues in there, but the other shack they took and they when they they didn’t want the quarter lamp.
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Suddenly they took them through them all against the wall and smashed them.
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They were all the old fashioned call lamp.
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OK.
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But there’s still a lot of stuff.
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Did you hear that news item last?
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Night about those kitchen.
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How many, 1000?
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$20,000.
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$20,000. Then the youngest was three. The oldest was six. They went into a paint store and they opened 150 gallons of paint and threw it around and spray painted stuff.
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And the mother.
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You get into fridge that was there and had a whole number of bottles of, they said.
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Cleaning fluid.
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I can’t understand that.
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It must have been something that had alcohol in it and they drank bad.
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And they lived.
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This is this is the mother.
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They said something at the end.
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They said that.
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The mother went and claimed her three.
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Year old child.
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And this this happened.
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In the early hours of the morning wasn’t.
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Well, I don’t just know when was it it was, it was on the.
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News last night it was.
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I guess it was Sunday.
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It must have been over the weekend and.
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I guess somebody left the door open.
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I had 24 head of cattle stolen while they were stolen. Actually, when I bought the herd the year I bought the herd.
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And we.
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Road for all.
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One winter looking for them.
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Never did find a trace of them, which is unusual on a range because of a given range area.
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If they die from, you know, from their natural causes.
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Somebody shoots 1 by mistake.
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You run into science, you know.
00:20:19 Speaker 5
Never a sign.
00:20:25 Speaker 5
This started with the BC police.
00:20:30 Speaker 5
And it finally ended up.
00:20:33 Speaker 5
I finally discovered what had happened to him.
00:20:37 Speaker 5
The guy whose father owned a ranch in.
00:20:45 Speaker 5
You started penticton.
00:20:48 Speaker 5
Down by the fault.
00:20:52 Speaker 5
Worked up here on the bridge when they rebuilt this bridge up here in Mill Creek and.
00:21:08 Speaker 5
They hired the cooking outfit to come in and do the cooking for the gang.
00:21:13 Speaker 5
You know, constructing this bridge.
00:21:18 Speaker 5
And the cook was part of the contractor.
00:21:23 Speaker 5
And he was shooting my beast.
00:21:27 Speaker 4
OK.
00:21:27 Speaker 5
And these were all young 2 year olds and he.
00:21:31 Speaker 5
Cleaned them up.
00:21:33 Speaker 5
They all at the time thought it was quite a good deal, good fresh meat.
00:21:40 Speaker 3
She takes every night for dinner.
00:21:42 Speaker 5
And I got talking to his or his father phoned me.
00:21:45 Speaker 5
As a matter of fact, because I was in the association at that time.
00:21:49 Speaker 5
And he told me about his son and this story.
00:21:53 Speaker 5
So I went to the RCMP and I told.
00:21:56 Speaker 5
The background I said you must have the history of this business left by the BC police when you took over.
00:22:05 Speaker 5
They wouldn’t look it up, but they said we’ll contact somebody down there to go and have a talk.
00:22:11 Speaker 5
So they did and they got hold of the son who was then working somewhere in the prairies and another man to talk to him.
00:22:19 Speaker 5
And he told his story.
00:22:22 Speaker 5
He told them the name of the fellow that was running the camp.
00:22:26 Speaker 5
He told him the name of the cook.
00:22:29 Speaker 5
Who’s doing the shooting and butchering?
00:22:33 Speaker 5
And they finally came back to me about six months later and said, well, it’s so long gone now.
00:22:38 Speaker 5
It’s not really well doing.
00:22:39 Speaker 5
Anything about it?
00:22:47 Speaker 5
7-8 years after the event, by this time.
00:22:57 Speaker 5
But they had the full stories they had written.
00:23:01 Speaker 5
Deal signed by this guy that was there and.
00:23:04 Speaker 5
Saw it happen.
00:23:06 Speaker 5
Guys take a side car.
00:23:08 Speaker 5
You know, push yourself on the way, shoot a cow and you decide you want meet.
00:23:13 Speaker 5
John’s has lost one or two.
00:23:15 Speaker 5
Two at the same time.
00:23:19 Speaker 4
Steve Jones died.
00:23:21 Speaker 5
Yeah, you got killed four years ago.
00:23:28 Speaker 3
There was a Jones in the Legion thing the other.
00:23:32 Speaker 3
Day had died.
00:23:36 Speaker 3
Just the Last Post list.
00:23:38 Speaker 3
And it was John.
00:23:40 Speaker 5
S Johns or SJ Johns or two sets of Jones this year.
00:23:47 Speaker 5
They’re not related.
00:23:48 Speaker 4
In this area.
00:23:51 Speaker 3
I didn’t know that.
00:23:59 Speaker 4
So Nancy’s dad was Hector Hector.
00:24:03 Speaker 3
And Elsie is her brother.
00:24:06 Speaker 3
And there and with sister brother.
00:24:10 Speaker 5
But he died.
00:24:10 Speaker 5
After he got killed in a car accident.
00:24:21 Speaker 5
He married the Willis girl.
00:24:25 Speaker 5
Jim Moses, sisters.
00:24:36 Speaker 5
And if you want learning about people are 110 years old.
00:24:44 Speaker 3
I don’t know how you remember them all.
00:24:47 Speaker 5
I have a fantastic memory.
00:24:48 Speaker 3
Oh yes, I know you have.
00:24:51 Speaker 3
I just didn’t think we better bring that up.
00:24:53 Speaker 5
I can even remember details.
00:24:55 Speaker 6
Oh, I’m sure you can.
00:24:59 Speaker 5
When you getting old.
00:25:01 Speaker 6
I’m not hiding things and there’s no details of that.
00:25:05 Speaker 6
Say right out loud here.
00:25:07 Speaker 6
If you want to right there.
00:25:11 Speaker 6
Yeah, you go right ahead.
00:25:14 Speaker 3
And I know more about you than.
00:25:16 Speaker 6
You know about me?
00:25:19 Speaker 2
Your mother told me one really funny story about a horse that she told me the one about a horse that that she had that got that got into the house.
00:25:21 Speaker 3
And his mother doesn’t know anything about his.
00:25:29 Speaker 5
Oh yeah.
00:25:30 Speaker 2
One day, when she was in in cooking and.
00:25:35 Speaker 5
He sort of upset the hose.
00:25:37 Speaker 2
Yeah, he got in and she wanted to kind of lead him through all this.
00:25:39 Speaker 2
Furniture she couldn’t back him up.
00:25:41 Speaker 2
She had a leading all his.
00:25:42 Speaker 2
French were turning around, getting back out of back out of the house.
00:25:47 Speaker 5
Yeah, it was funny at winter court trouble.
00:25:51 Speaker 5
And so they just put down new linoleum while it was in that house we bought for that they lived.
00:25:58 Speaker 6
So everything.
00:25:59 Speaker 5
30 years work on Abbott.
00:26:05 Speaker 4
How did the?
00:26:05 Speaker 4
Horse get in.
00:26:06 Speaker 5
There where he just.
00:26:07 Speaker 5
Pushed his way and we were in the dining room having dinner and.
00:26:13 Speaker 5
When they swing the door between the dining room and the kitchen.
00:26:17 Speaker 5
And he wanted to drink water, and we’d been fish feeding water.
00:26:21 Speaker 5
Back door and I guess he figured out where it came from.
00:26:26 Speaker 5
And the kitchen was catered wasn’t that big.
00:26:29 Speaker 5
And he walked in there to get a drink, I guess, and pushed the door open flat.
00:26:36 Speaker 5
And walked in.
00:26:37 Speaker 5
And of course she.
00:26:38 Speaker 5
Tried to get the signal and stuck his backside on the stove.
00:26:43 Speaker 5
And then jumped into a counter and he tore that to pieces.
00:26:47 Speaker 5
And then he backed up again, hit the stove and knocked the stove pipe off.
00:26:53 Speaker 5
And then he sort of got his back end in the pantry.
00:26:57 Speaker 5
Scared hell out of the pantry.
00:27:01 Speaker 5
The door had shut behind him.
00:27:03 Speaker 5
He couldn’t get out.
00:27:04 Speaker 4
And you people were in.
00:27:05 Speaker 5
The that we were in the dining room, the mother opened the door.
00:27:09 Speaker 5
She was just going to get something when the source had got in.
00:27:14 Speaker 5
But the door shut behind him, so he couldn’t.
00:27:16 Speaker 5
Get out again.
00:27:19 Speaker 5
Well, then I think that was probably what upset him was her opening the door in his face.
00:27:25 Speaker 5
She pushed the swinging door open and that’s what made him back into the store.
00:27:32 Speaker 5
And it was all hell broke loose in there.
00:27:34 Speaker 5
Well, I couldn’t.
00:27:35 Speaker 5
You couldn’t go in with him.
00:27:36 Speaker 5
But by this time.
00:27:37 Speaker 5
He was scared to death.
00:27:39 Speaker 5
So I had to go up the front door and around and come back in and open the kitchen door from the outside.
00:27:46 Speaker 5
Living back here by this time was it, and he had these winter corks on, you know, on this new linoleum.
00:27:53 Speaker 5
Every time he picked.
00:27:53 Speaker 5
Up his foot.
00:27:54 Speaker 5
The linoleum came with him.
00:27:59 Speaker 3
I thought you were talking at a garden party.
00:28:04 Speaker 5
As a matter of fact to you, the.
00:28:05 Speaker 5
Verse that I gave Toot.
00:28:14 Speaker 5
Well, she was married, I guess, before you got here.
00:28:19 Speaker 5
She married a girl from Milk from Greenwood.
00:28:22 Speaker 3
All right.
00:28:32 Speaker 5
Said I’d look after this thing for the winter.
00:28:38 Speaker 2
I also heard a story too of your.
00:28:40 Speaker 2
Father being on the air one.
00:28:41 Speaker 2
Day when the house burned down.
00:28:43 Speaker 5
We’re done.
00:28:45 Speaker 2
Yeah, that was.
00:28:47 Speaker 2
And she said that, you know, you’re you’re at.
00:28:48 Speaker 5
Home with that mother and I were again and having lunch in the same dining room, listening to the music.
00:28:58 Speaker 5
The old man was doing the news of the day.
00:29:01 Speaker 5
In the first segment and every time the fire station went, he jumped about 40 miles because he’s beaten the fire department being here.
00:29:10 Speaker 5
And for part, while this was eight driver.
00:29:18 Speaker 5
He grabbed the phone and she would have just shut the thing off as far as the news was concerned and just grabbed the phone and said.
00:29:25 Speaker 5
Where’s the fire?
00:29:27 Speaker 6
Can you imagine?
00:29:28 Speaker 3
What happened like sort of makes it interesting.
00:29:33 Speaker 5
And he said, like, oh Christ, it’s my own house, you know, it’s on fire.
00:29:38 Speaker 5
I’m leaving.
00:29:39 Speaker 5
Shuts everything down out the door.
00:29:40 Speaker 6
Didn’t say that on the air.
00:29:42 Speaker 6
Oh, we did it.
00:29:48 Speaker 5
But it was below 0 and the hydrant was frozen.
00:29:51 Speaker 5
That was up on Pandosy St.
00:29:52 Speaker 5
it was absorbing hydrant.
00:29:56 Speaker 5
And the hydrant was frozen so they couldn’t get any water.
00:29:58 Speaker 5
So the house burned down.
00:30:00 Speaker 3
So, I mean, the house is on handover.
00:30:03 Speaker 5
No, the host was down.
00:30:04 Speaker 3
On Apple or like the.
00:30:06 Speaker 3
Old way down there or yeah right there.
00:30:07 Speaker 5
Road used to go in from.
00:30:11 Speaker 3
Yes. So then.
00:30:13 Speaker 3
So the what?
00:30:14 Speaker 3
What year was that?
00:30:17 Speaker 5
That would be in.
00:30:19 Speaker 5
32.
00:30:21 Speaker 3
Oh, I see.
00:30:21 Speaker 3
So that it was we rebuilt after that.
00:30:25 Speaker 3
On the same spot, how much of it was burned?
00:30:28 Speaker 3
For the whole, huh?
00:30:30 Speaker 5
Pretty well.
00:30:32 Speaker 5
The whole house was lost pretty well.
00:30:35 Speaker 5
Part of the living room was left.
00:30:38 Speaker 2
That was just after the station around here, then.
00:30:41 Speaker 5
That was the following, but I’m not sure it was the same winter year passed.
00:30:46 Speaker 5
I think it was the same way.
00:30:48 Speaker 5
I know when she started to go up I could see there was no hope, so everything and I was going out with toots at night.
00:30:53 Speaker 5
So I was and I got me in their suits and shirt and some socks and shoes and went out and hung them in the barn.
00:31:05 Speaker 2
Everybody got their priorities.
Part 2
Transcript
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The equipment.
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Everything in those days outside of the.
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Transmitter was battery operated.
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And that was part of the transmitter was part driven with a generator because it was nobody had.
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Power supply in those days around big enough, that was quiet enough to run a transmitter on off the straight off AC because the AC was so noisy in those days they couldn’t.
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They didn’t have the pastors to.
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Cut down the noise level from the 60 cycle.
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I’ve heard engineers say that this this transmitter site over here was was almost a a work of genius.
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Just picking it and putting it in and then putting in it and putting OV on at six at 630 kilocycles because the just because of the location and the.
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The strength of the signal and all kinds of other things that came out of it, that when IQ for example came on or Vernon they they were at a disadvantage.
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Technically they couldn’t get the signal as good as.
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Our frequency is a better frequency to start with.
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When we put that transmitter in there, that park used to flood pretty well every year.
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And the water?
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The lake water at that time, we only had one problem was that it was too pure.
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And it didn’t give us a good grounding effect.
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I actually bought that piece of property.
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Of old Doctor Boyce, as we signed an agreement sitting on the side of the road on a piece of.
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Paper bag that we picked up off the road.
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Are you persistent? Interesting part.
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That was still the paper we got back when we eventually.
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Paid for the property.
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With a piece of old brown paper bag which we tore our section off, it wrote out what we’d pay a month and how much we pay an acre and so on.
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What you paid for it?
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We paid $75.00 an acre.
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And the original piece.
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With 16 acres.
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And then we cut out one section of it, which she gave us.
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As paid for in cash, so we could mortgage for the rest of it for the building.
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And we gave him $100 cash.
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There’s the down payment.
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And if I’m not mistaken, that we paid him $50.
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At 3% interest.
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Thank you, Sir.
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There’s an agreement around there somewhere on this and some little delay that sends out the voice on it.
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Well, that’s probably the second piece of property.
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Yes, I I’m not.
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I’m not.
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Suggesting that first one because I don’t have any old.
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Paper bags from.
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Well, the first one.
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Because when they.
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When Doctor Bush died, we still didn’t finished paying for all of it.
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And they still held the agreement in Okanogan Trust, which was trading, you know, they changed over their name.
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And they wanted to rewrite the document and I should know bloody way the agreement I made with the doctor.
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And that’s the way it’s going to be.
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Because they wanted that Beatrice and everything else.
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What? How much property?
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Did you have there?
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Finally from doctor Blake.
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42 or 43 acres I forgot.
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But you’ve sold off the piece eventually into.
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That was.
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He was a great old guy to deal with.
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He wanted me to take that whole lakefront from Mission Creek right through to the.
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Gerald Court, you know, including that Gerald Court or not.
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Gerald Court, Beacon Beach, Beacon beach.
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For $5000.
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He said, dude, this is a no.
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Was getting married before you want.
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He said you buy that, he said, you know, he said they’re going to look after this lake one of these days and he.
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You’ll have some good property there.
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You don’t need to pay me anything down, he said. Just give me whatever you think. 10 dollars $15.00 a month.
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And swap land you.
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Couldn’t see it.
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And I couldn’t see it as it was swampy and it was.
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Well, it was a bit of dry ground.
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In it. But that’s where.
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The sump pump is going.
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Down here all time.
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The mosquitoes were so damn bad.
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And the thing was the lake wasn’t controlled there.
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Well, I used to pasture horses where you are.
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Now. Oh, really?
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Was this property owned by Albert Radiant?
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You know.
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I all.
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I don’t know what happened to it later.
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It was owned by my wife and.
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Who would that be?
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OK.
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Because Knox had told me that.
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Or not.
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She owned this chunk, this beach chunk going down this road.
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Down to the Creek.
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And the house.
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One, it’s not the last house now, but it was the last house on this road.
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That was where I.
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Bought when I first got married.
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And it was owned by a couple Englishmen that came here and.
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Favorite crew type the Englishman and they didn’t like it here.
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They decided after about two years, and they built this quite nice home down here, which is.
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It’s probably still the biggest house in the street.
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I bought it awesome for $3500.
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OK.
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It was 100 foot lot.
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Really great deep.
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Which is a fair chunk of.
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Dough in those days.
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Yeah, we paid $25.00 a month. We got $1000 down pay, $2500 a month, and then the wife and I had a little bit of a problem. We sold the place.
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Which didn’t sell it. The old man lost 500 bucks on it because he put up 500 and call it put up 500.
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And I rented it for two years and gave him whatever came out of it.
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Lending the mortgage.
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And then I.
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Finally, should look take the bloody place.
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Order Gray is Gray.
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OK matter.
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I guess really you’re going during the 60s personality tapes and so on.
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And at times he killed his local programming, flowed so smoothly into the CV net that listeners were often unable to distinguish between local programming and slick Toronto productions.
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That actually that little bit I believe is what we were talking about when you were up the house and that referred to the time that we were writing programs.
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Well, back in the 50s.
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4540.
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Or 46789 and in in.
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That time, OK.
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We didn’t have to set some things in those days.
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That’s when we use great programs bridging music between.
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Selections and all that sort of thing.
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Everything was timed right down at 2nd and.
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That’s when.
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Many people couldn’t tell.
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Whether we’re on network or not.
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Particularly and and in those days we weren’t named.
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When we were on.
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The air.
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So people, if they knew us.
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Personally knew who it was, otherwise they had no.
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Clue. There were no names.
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No, no, that wasn’t permission.
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Still, you know.
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Well, that’s what makes France heavy.
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Jackson so unique.
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This is the first.
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Oh, I didn’t understand.
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That then then I used to.
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Well, yes, there’s certain things because.
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I used to do a newscast at noon for macgavin bakeries, and it was a long time before Mr.
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Brown permitted the.
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Name to be used.
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Well, my my name was used when.
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And then Chris, Jack vu, yeah.
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I did that, but I heard a tape 1949 tape. One of those transcripts from this one time.
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And you said.
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This is Jack views with the news about.
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19 yes. Well, I think that after it maybe in the when you were here in 39. But when I came here, I used to.
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Well, I don’t know when it was.
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Dude, they show for Robin.
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Hood, flower nails and I’m mining.
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Yes, well, you were there all those years.
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With me.
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Yeah, but that.
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Was when I came here in 45. Oh.
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You’re calling?
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Right.
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So it’s probably in.
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But I know when we.
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Wrote programs and this was after.
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I believe before Jack, because Bill Stewart remember Bill Stewart, Bill Stewart, and Harry Watson, all those guys, and you weren’t even here.
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You were in the war.
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No, no.
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But as I say, when we’re writing programs, there were no names.
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There was Alan crew.
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Well, it would.
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And all those things.
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Depend on the show.
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Yeah, they depend on the show really.
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Yeah, they, they, they brought in personality shows that were locally done that we’re using names.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Can anybody remember any of the names too of some of those programs that came off the those transcription disks back during the 50s, the names of the programs and the people of Rome?
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Oh, OK.
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One was the green Hornet.
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And in his steps.
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Oh yeah, who did in his steps?
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That came from McGregor.
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Outfit in the East River.
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McGregor protection say.
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And the greater protections remember that.
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The disks were the real thick ones.
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You know, So what are you?
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What are you wanting?
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The specific names of you remember any of those programs?
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Green Hornet, Boston, Blackie or whatever.
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What was the one that Carters little?
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Liver pills that used to sponsor.
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Or or Bayer aspirin.
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A bare aspirin, of course, used to be a network show from the states.
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That we carried, yeah.
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The Artland dam.
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Contact we have on at what 7?
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15 every night.
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Yeah, that was bad.
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Now that, well, that was before.
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The war.
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Oh, that they had that when I.
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Came here too.
00:11:30 Speaker 4
Yeah. On the art van.
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Damme quintet, and that was a regular.
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See the only live broadcast we had.
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Outside what made ourselves in 1931.
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Was 1/2 hour.
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Put on by the CPR from the Royal York Hotel in Toronto.
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This was before there was any Canadian.
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Network Stanley Maxted was one of the vocalists.
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You remember that name.
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And they did the afternoon tea show.
00:12:01 Speaker 1
In the New York Royal York they they used to have, you know.
00:12:07 Speaker 3
But but during the during the 30s.
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5-6 or 7.
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They were shows originated from here Kamloops Trail.
00:12:19 Speaker 1
Oh, yes.
00:12:20 Speaker 1
Yeah, that was for the CBC.
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We had two half hours a week we had.
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To fill, because I remember John’s I think mentioned.
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Remember listening to that?
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And remember, listening to uh silona.
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I did one from here in.
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On a Sunday morning.
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I guess it would be 39.
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What’s the Sunday morning program?
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I kept thinking and there’s that belt.
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I know I said enough Jehovah’s Witness, but.
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No, no, no, no, this wasn’t that.
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This was a CBC show in the chap happened to be here and we fed.
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It out.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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The old.
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No, no.
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Oh, good.
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Then think you’d never forget the name.
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He was best known for his show as a matter of fact, as the white haired philosophy which he used to do a 15 minute every morning, patient strong strong portrait.
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Oh yeah.
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Now that’s for your.
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Your mother has something.
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Out of sequence here.
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OK, your, your your that was your father.
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I like.
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He was known as.
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The white haired prosper, yeah.
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He was known as the white haired philosopher for.
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The border to.
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Gamble, OK.
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I’ll get that pulled though.
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And what time of the?
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Day did that program go on?
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Nine. It used to be.
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9 something in the morning.
00:13:44 Speaker 3
What and the way here? Philosopher. Oh yes. And then he also did one at 1:00 o’clock everyday. Yeah. One. Yeah. One, I think in 1946 he was doing it from the.
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From from present location.
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But I still occasionally get a photograph sent to me by somebody whose mother has died and this picture.
00:14:05 Speaker 1
It was done by Jakes, the Jeweler in.
00:14:08 Speaker 1
Vernon sponsored the program for a long time and they had a picture of him sitting in front of the microphone doing this show.
00:14:16 Speaker 1
The white haired cluster and it was sent all over the valley to do this.
00:14:21 Speaker 1
Thousands of copies of it.
00:14:23 Speaker 3
By the way, Fred Evans wants to know if you still have that thing that he mentioned.
00:14:28 Speaker 3
He mentioned it the other night to me.
00:14:30 Speaker 3
Again, that’s still got nothing.
00:14:32 Speaker 1
I’ll tell you a couple of instances of which engineering that like use you if it fits in anywhere, I don’t know, but I was working in Princeton.
00:14:37 Speaker 3
Or whatever.
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On a ranch for a while in 30.
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Five or six.
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And they phoned up and they were having trouble.
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They couldn’t stay on the air.
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And this art Miller was then taking over the engineering from me.
00:15:05 Speaker 1
While I was service predict said take sort of summer.
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I was always disappearing for several months at the time.
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Knowledge is that.
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You wouldn’t have 25 years.
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Ago though.
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He was here.
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For his paycheck.
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Go ahead.
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Right there.
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They’d had the.
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Marconi engineers up from Vancouver.
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They had.
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Art Miller had been working every night, all night for weeks trying to get this thing cured.
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So the old man phoned the bus driver in Princeton, knew who was a friend of the rancher I was working for him and I told him that if he ever had any real trouble to get hold of me.
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So this guy came out and told me what the trouble was.
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Could I please come home with?
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They had this intermittent trouble.
00:16:07 Speaker 1
Maine, from Vancouver being up and Art was played out.
00:16:11 Speaker 1
He’d worked every night and they couldn’t fix it.
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So I jumped on a saddle horse and rode across the back here one night. I got in here, but I caught the first ferry which used to be 730.
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Came over and walked in the building.
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Took one look at it.
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Tora to transform and put a new one and walked out the building, went home, went to bed, and then there were trouble.
00:16:34 Speaker 4
Is that the time we were off the air?
00:16:36 Speaker 1
For three days, no.
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This was in.
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35 or 6.
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And this.
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Or another case that was very amusingly Miss Fred Weber who?
00:16:49 Speaker 1
Has the station of the Kitimat.
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Darn good engineer.
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And he was a transmitter.
00:17:00 Speaker 1
We used to have to man the transmitter in those days.
00:17:04 Speaker 1
And Fred couldn’t get this thing on the air.
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And he phoned me and I struggled out of bed at some ungodly hour in the morning, about 5:45 came down.
00:17:20 Speaker 1
The hangover about four miles wide.
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Walked in and I said what’s the trouble is we can’t get on the air.
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And I did.
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I had big work boots on.
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I just gave it a hell of a bat and the ribs with my boots and away she went.
00:17:34 Speaker 1
Fred never got over that.
00:17:37 Speaker 3
But he was the same type of engineer.
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You really wasn’t because he never had any training.
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I knew what the matter was.
00:17:45 Speaker 1
You know, it was the crystal and those damned old crystals used.
00:17:50 Speaker 1
They’d sit too long in one spot.
00:17:52 Speaker 4
Crystal sat in a little heated oven.
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Witches block.
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So I knew this would be.
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I figured this was the trouble right away when he told me the kind of trouble he had, and I just came in and really bullied her in the red you.
00:18:06 Speaker 1
Know bingo everything.
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Like you know, went away she go.
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I walked back out the door.
00:18:17 Speaker 2
You wouldn’t find that in a textbook.
00:18:21 Speaker 1
The other thing that I did was in.
00:18:28 Speaker 1
I guess it was 36.
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We decided that the transmitter wasn’t good enough.
00:18:36 Speaker 1
We didn’t have enough power.
00:18:39 Speaker 1
So I had been reading a manual on tubes from the states.
00:18:45 Speaker 1
And this.
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100 Watt transmitter marconis was all English chips and they were hard to get and.
00:19:00 Speaker 1
Their rectifier tubes were no damn good at all.
00:19:03 Speaker 1
Gee, you once, they used to blow out.
00:19:05 Speaker 1
If you just looked at near Mercury, they would.
00:19:10 Speaker 1
So I.
00:19:11 Speaker 1
Started out was the final stage and and decided to make it at 2:50.
00:19:18 Speaker 1
So I put in two.
00:19:22 Speaker 1
I’m at two 50s and they were.
00:19:26 Speaker 1
In place of this, English chew bumped the power of 250 watts, Marconi said. It couldn’t be done, said post.
00:19:36 Speaker 1
I’d run into some kind of harmonics from one another, and I didn’t know anything about these harmonics.
00:19:42 Speaker 1
And then.
00:19:45 Speaker 1
This thing worked like a charm.
00:19:48 Speaker 1
We got our 250 watts out of it.
00:19:52 Speaker 1
And she worked beautifully.
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Nothing more was said.
00:20:00 Speaker 1
I converted to choose to eat 60 sixes.
00:20:04 Speaker 1
They rectifier chew.
00:20:06 Speaker 1
They’re a much better tube.
00:20:12 Speaker 1
And then.
00:20:13 Speaker 1
We moved the thing out here because it all became part of the South and what, you know, it was an exciter for.
00:20:18 Speaker 1
The 1001.
00:20:22 Speaker 1
And Mark, Honey learned that I’d finally done this in the head office.
00:20:28 Speaker 1
And this was it, by this time got up to the start of the war, you know.
00:20:32 Speaker 1
And time always had drifted back to the Montreal office.
00:20:36 Speaker 1
And they wanted to build a transmitter.
00:20:39 Speaker 1
Everything that they or Marconi built was English design, and it was built like a fortified ship, you know.
00:20:49 Speaker 1
The brass.
00:20:51 Speaker 1
Coroner posted of the transmitters were.
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Inch and 1/2 brass angle, iron angle brass.
00:21:02 Speaker 1
And everything was all just beautifully built, but heavy is LED.
00:21:09 Speaker 1
So Marconi company, after I’d made this transmitter worth of 250 watts and they finally confirmed it through their local engineer, the Department of Transport never did get wise to it.
00:21:21 Speaker 1
They did.
00:21:22 Speaker 1
You know.
00:21:24 Speaker 1
Have a clue?
00:21:28 Speaker 1
The the invited me down to New York or to Montreal.
00:21:37 Speaker 1
I went in there and worked with them for a month.
00:21:40 Speaker 1
She was in.
00:21:41 Speaker 1
The first part of the war.
00:21:44 Speaker 1
And they designed the transmitter.
00:21:48 Speaker 1
With new components.
00:21:51 Speaker 1
The new type of rectifiers and things.
00:21:55 Speaker 1
On the same basis.
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Which was used as one of the.
00:22:06 Speaker 1
What do they call Corvettes?
00:22:07 Speaker 1
The small boats.
00:22:11 Speaker 4
Too small.
00:22:12
OK.
00:22:13 Speaker 1
During the war and also became their 250 Watt broadcast transmitter.
00:22:21 Speaker 2
This transmitter, this transmitter that’s sitting in the House down pandosy.
00:22:27 Speaker 2
Somebody, several people told me.
00:22:29 Speaker 2
That’s the original one or one of the original ones out of the.
00:22:31 Speaker 2
Of the station, but somebody else was told somebody that was 500 watts, which seems.
00:22:39 Speaker 2
So this is that is the original one.
00:22:40 Speaker 2
It’s still.
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Sitting in the house.
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Over on Pandora.
00:22:45 Speaker 2
Over at.
00:22:48 Speaker 3
You don’t mean that anything.
00:22:50 Speaker 2
It’s just right there.
00:22:51 Speaker 3
Off of Park Ave.
00:22:52 Speaker 4
You’re not talking about George Stones, please.
00:22:54 Speaker 1
Yeah, that was that was anyway.
00:22:55 Speaker 4
No, no, no.
00:22:59 Speaker 1
That’s all converted dating later again.
00:23:02 Speaker 4
George had his old transmitter and and generator and everything for his ham.
00:23:06 Speaker 1
There was nothing new.
00:23:10
OK.
00:23:10 Speaker 4
That is still there.
00:23:11 Speaker 1
That was teddy.
00:23:12 Speaker 2
What? That was 10A?
00:23:13 Speaker 2
Y alright is everybody you told me that was.
00:23:15 Speaker 2
There’s CEO these original.
00:23:20 Speaker 4
Well, it didn’t.
00:23:21 Speaker 4
Didn’t your ships transmitter go to the museum?
00:23:25 Speaker 1
I don’t know.
00:23:27 Speaker 1
No, we only leased it from our client they took.
00:23:30 Speaker 3
It back. Oh.
00:23:32 Speaker 2
This one apparently is going to be moved to the museum.
00:23:34 Speaker 2
The 10 Y transmitter this summer or sometime and then.
00:23:40 Speaker 2
Or nurses 30.
00:23:43 Speaker 1
No arable transmitter.
00:23:44 Speaker 1
Anything went right back to where?
00:23:48 Speaker 4
Well, what we’re going to do, we’re going to borrow at.
00:23:51 Speaker 4
The time that we were going.
00:23:52 Speaker 4
To number of years ago, we were going to have a celebration and put on a display of.
00:23:59 Speaker 4
Equipment, remember that.
00:24:02 Speaker 4
That would be what on the 25th.
00:24:05 Speaker 4
Or 35th anniversary.
00:24:08 Speaker 4
Remember, they were going to do big things and have all the old equipment on display.
00:24:13 Speaker 2
In the original.
00:24:15 Speaker 4
But it didn’t materialize.
00:24:16 Speaker 1
It wasn’t even do with me.
00:24:18 Speaker 4
One reason another.
00:24:19 Speaker 3
I don’t remember who was.
00:24:21 Speaker 3
Talking about it, but I recall.
00:24:27 Speaker 1
Marconi transferred the two Marconi transmitters.
00:24:33 Speaker 1
I think drove them to pieces when we put in the.
00:24:39 Speaker 1
Then we bought another one.
00:24:42 Speaker 1
I bought one for.
00:24:46 Speaker 1
We were going to use for a spare.
00:24:50 Speaker 1
And I guess that was just that was securing the war too, I think or just after the war.
00:24:57 Speaker 1
Which was Lethbridge to Strathmore, and they’d put a new one in and we thought, well, we’ve got this old Marconi, we’ll buy this one for spares.
00:25:06 Speaker 1
And then we brought it here and it got.
00:25:07 Speaker 1
Talking to tiny elfick.
00:25:09 Speaker 1
And I rebuilt it for him, and that was Prince George’s first transmitter.
00:25:16 Speaker 1
I sold it to him.
00:25:17 Speaker 3
Do you remember when Tony died?
00:25:20 Speaker 1
I can’t remember the year.
00:25:21 Speaker 1
I know I was.
00:25:25 Speaker 3
That first and then tiny.
00:25:27 Speaker 1
Yeah, I went to.
00:25:30 Speaker 3
You’re dead in 6054.
00:25:35 Speaker 1
And then.
00:25:37 Speaker 3
Remember, he was in Edmonton and had a heart attack.
00:25:39 Speaker 1
He had a heart attack on the way to Toronto.
00:25:41 Speaker 1
I was with him the night before he died in Vancouver and I flew to Toronto.
00:25:48 Speaker 1
And he took the train to.
00:25:53 Speaker 1
To Edmonton got in debt from that night.
00:26:00 Speaker 1
And died in the hotel.
00:26:04 Speaker 1
And I was in Toronto.
00:26:05 Speaker 1
And Johnny.
00:26:09 Speaker 1
Baldwin, myself, were together.
00:26:12 Speaker 3
Where is Johnny now?
00:26:13 Speaker 1
He was up the other day.
00:26:14 Speaker 1
She’s still in around cameos, so.
00:26:16 Speaker 1
He’s older.
00:26:21 Speaker 1
He and I flew back to Vancouver for the funeral.
00:26:26 Speaker 1
And then went back to the meeting.
00:26:35 Speaker 1
But I I can’t remember what year it was.
00:26:37 Speaker 1
It was before we were flying with Britannia.
00:26:41 Speaker 1
I know that.
00:26:45 Speaker 2
The pretending was that 29.
00:26:47 Speaker 1
It was a four.
00:26:48 Speaker 1
Inch 4.
00:26:50 Speaker 1
CPA had brought up the English.
00:26:54 Speaker 1
Electrician’s nightmare.
00:27:00 Speaker 1
A big terrible.
00:27:01 Speaker 1
Right.
00:27:12 Speaker 1
Yeah, we were party after this brother in law’s place the night before he died.
00:27:20 Speaker 1
In Toronto, Vancouver.
00:27:25 Speaker 1
West Vancouver.
00:27:26 Speaker 3
OK.
00:27:27 Speaker 1
He drove me back to the hotel and he said, well, I’ll see you.
00:27:32 Speaker 1
Two days or three days in Toronto.
00:27:39 Speaker 1
And he left that morning early that.
00:27:42 Speaker 3
Morning and went to Edmonton.
00:27:43 Speaker 1
Went with.
00:27:44 Speaker 3
And you could.
00:27:45 Speaker 1
Eat and we flew east.
00:27:46 Speaker 3
Oh, I think, yeah.
00:27:51 Speaker 1
OK, you didn’t tell that?
00:27:53 Speaker 3
Have you had a heart trouble before that?
00:27:55 Speaker 1
Yeah, she had that problem.
00:28:00 Speaker 2
What about when CJV?
00:28:04 Speaker 2
We started up.
00:28:06 Speaker 2
It didn’t have its own studios or needed it was worked out of the AM and control controller.
00:28:17 Speaker 2
And the original transmitter was up on Okanagan Mountain.
00:28:21 Speaker 3
Now it’s back there, and now it’s back there.
00:28:24 Speaker 1
And no, it didn’t, didn’t it was it was.
00:28:28 Speaker 3
Well, where is it now?
00:28:30 Speaker 2
It’s opened up.
00:28:31 Speaker 1
The shoot big Rd. here.
00:28:33 Speaker 3
Oh, it’s not on.
00:28:37 Speaker 3
Oh, I see. I I.
00:28:38 Speaker 3
I didn’t feel like I thought it was on.
00:28:40 Speaker 3
Top of the mouth again.
00:28:42 Speaker 1
Smart engineers.
00:28:45 Speaker 1
Fairies picked other place the wrong place.
00:28:48 Speaker 3
Is it?
00:28:51 Speaker 3
You’ve gotta be kidding you.
00:28:58 Speaker 4
One of the reasons had to do with what was it BC town?
00:29:08 Speaker 3
Well, no.
00:29:09 Speaker 3
No provinces on top of the hill.
00:29:13 Speaker 3
Could we be up there too?
00:29:18 Speaker 3
Well, you move on up.
00:29:22 Speaker 1
I don’t know.
00:29:23 Speaker 1
I’m not interested anymore.
00:29:24 Speaker 4
What do you?
00:29:25 Speaker 4
Mean the well has got his transmitter up.
00:29:26 Speaker 3
Here he’s going up here.
00:29:36 Speaker 3
Yeah, it’s a beautiful spot because he’s going to get both.
00:29:47 Speaker 3
An airplane station.
00:29:53 Speaker 3
If Frost gets one that’s going to be.
00:29:58 Speaker 3
An FA.
00:29:59 Speaker 3
You don’t think so?
00:30:01 Speaker 3
Well, the betting is that he will the next time around.
00:30:08 Speaker 1
That one right?
00:30:11 Speaker 3
Oh, that would.
00:30:13 Speaker 3
Timmy, hear me.
00:30:18 Speaker 3
Why would they give another FM station to Penn Station?
00:30:23 Speaker 3
What are they doing now in Penticton?
00:30:24 Speaker 3
Now what?
00:30:26 Speaker 1
Well, they did that and replacement.
00:30:30 Speaker 1
He wanted a.
00:30:46 Speaker 3
What’s next?
00:30:49 Speaker 2
I mean sort of exhausted all of my questions.
00:30:53 Speaker 2
Pretty much anybody else need me more intense events.
00:30:56 Speaker 2
Some things that you mentioned being on the air 70 hours during that Spring Hill mine disaster.
00:31:02 Speaker 2
That’s the kind of thing that that I’m looking for.